A Fast Correx Bloody Baron

cd0g17

Member
Hey Guys :)

New to FT Forum, came here from RC Groups, think it was Mr Man that pushed me to come here thanks to his great CAD tutorials.

Recently been crashing 3D printed planes which was getting to me a bit. So I decided, I like what Flite Test does, lemme give one of their planes a go. I had some correx on hand, some spare electronics so why not. To better my CAD skills, I tried to make it a hybrid so Correx + 3D ABS printed parts. More on that later.

Built from the original Baron plans, just increased the wingspan ever so slightly to 750mm. I used 2mm correx and so had to change things here and there to make things fit together from the original 5mm foam used.
I also had some carbon DIY pushrods from a previous plane that I managed to get to fit here as I knew it was gonna be fast so I wanted maximum torque from my cheap 9g servos.

Final Config:
Motor: 2212 - 2700kv with a 6x4 prop
ESC: 40A
Lipo: 3S 1500-2200
6mm Carbon rod infused in a 3d printed wing spar

Printing:
I decided to print the powerpod, wing spar, ailerons, elevator and rudder since the scallops are a bit tough to cut perfectly out of correx. Since Correx can go in the sun I wanted to use a filament that can go in the sun. Std PLA is heavy but prints so great, ABS is lighter but a bit harder to print. However, I just couldn't get a stiff enough flat part without going to crazy weights even with ABS. I eventually settled on around 20g for each aileron, 33g for the rudder and 25g for the elevator. Gyroid infill. Anyway, this ended up being way too tail heavy. I hoped I could put my battery all the way forward but to not avail. It was not enough. I ended up using 80g of lead in the front to balance out that rudder and elevator on my 1500mAh lipo. Total AUW 780g.

Maiden flight:
Initially I used an Emax 2822 - 1200KV to maiden the plane, but as it was so heavy it was barely flyable, I couldn't get it to go 3 mistakes high. It needed full power to stay up.

Ripping off the rudder:
I decided to replace the ABS rudder with a correx one (33g down to 7g + bbq skewers for stiffness - say 11g at the max). I also swapped the motor for a heavier 2212 - 2700kv unit and since its way up front, it will help with CG. I still ended up needing 40g nose weight. I also halfed the powerpod since all the electronics were unfront anyway lol... This brought the nose weight requirement down a tad again. I am roughly now on 670g AUW with a 3S 1500mAh, maybe a tad lighter. Still a decent amount above the suggest 510g by FT, however, I do have 315w of power.

Re-maiden:
Like a bird on roids! She's quick, super quick. Unlimited vertical and oh wait battery flat... Yup, 3min flights are a push. My 2200mah gets me about 4min but its an old lipo so theres a difference in power, I can feel it. Otherwise she flies great. Something to get used to.

To Do Still (Hopefully before this weekend):
I am gonna rip off the ABS elevator and put a correx piece in. Should allow me to get rid of the remaining 35-40g of lead up front when on my 1500mAh. I also want to give it a a paint job as the correx white can get hard to see in the clouds.
I have three 6x5.5 props in the toolbox... I know I shouldn't use em on this. I know. Right? Too much. Yes... Too much. I already have 315w with my current 6x4... but I do want to see what it'll do lol.
Hoping to get an updated video this weekend as well as some newer pics.

Heres a quick video from last Sunday at the field before the rain came, unfortunately this is with the 2200mAh so not as quick as my newer 1500mAh. No lead needed with 2200mAh.

Fast Flite Test Bloody Baron in Correx
 

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Piotrsko

Legendary member
Correx is your equivalent to corregated plastic sign material?. Adding a correx tail feathers means you will need more nose weight. Just like a see saw with a fat kid on one end.

If you think your Wonder flies incredible, build a really light one. Won't survive much, but while it does survive..............
 

cd0g17

Member
@Mr NCT, Thanks for the welcoming!

@Piotrsko, Yes correx is the same as corrugated plastic sign material. The only difference is I use 2mm vs the standard 3mm, which makes a big diff in terms of weight. The 3D printed elevator weighed 28g with horn and hinges, I swapped it out last night to a correx version with some BBQ skewers for stiffness and we now at 12g. So as the see saw goes, I should be able to remove weight up front for CG. I see my weight is at 613g now with a 3S 1500 45c lipo. Maybe I should change out the 3D printed ailerons to correx and it'll drop another +-30g.

Just something to note about Correx, the secret lies in using 2mm. Not the standard 3mm. As 2mm is actually lighter (and stronger) then 5mm foamboard. The problem is rigidity, 5mm foam is more rigid. So one has to be strategic how they use correx but if you double it up in certain spots you get a tough lightweight plane thats more rigid. My weight problems are all related to 3D printed ABS parts not so much the Correx.

2 mm Correx - 250 g/m²
5mm FT Maker Foamboard - 322 g/m²
3 mm Correx - 350 g/m²
 

Piotrsko

Legendary member
If you infill the tubes with a curing material, it gets strong enough to dent yesterdays concrete but does get heavier. Granite is a different story, probably because it has been cured for a while and is at ultimate. Tail feathers and control surfaces are appropriate weight reduction places, as is the fuselage top. Film or tape is even lighter.
 
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Houndpup Rc

Legendary member
Hey Guys :)

New to FT Forum, came here from RC Groups, think it was Mr Man that pushed me to come here thanks to his great CAD tutorials.

Recently been crashing 3D printed planes which was getting to me a bit. So I decided, I like what Flite Test does, lemme give one of their planes a go. I had some correx on hand, some spare electronics so why not. To better my CAD skills, I tried to make it a hybrid so Correx + 3D ABS printed parts. More on that later.

Built from the original Baron plans, just increased the wingspan ever so slightly to 750mm. I used 2mm correx and so had to change things here and there to make things fit together from the original 5mm foam used.
I also had some carbon DIY pushrods from a previous plane that I managed to get to fit here as I knew it was gonna be fast so I wanted maximum torque from my cheap 9g servos.

Final Config:
Motor: 2212 - 2700kv with a 6x4 prop
ESC: 40A
Lipo: 3S 1500-2200
6mm Carbon rod infused in a 3d printed wing spar

Printing:
I decided to print the powerpod, wing spar, ailerons, elevator and rudder since the scallops are a bit tough to cut perfectly out of correx. Since Correx can go in the sun I wanted to use a filament that can go in the sun. Std PLA is heavy but prints so great, ABS is lighter but a bit harder to print. However, I just couldn't get a stiff enough flat part without going to crazy weights even with ABS. I eventually settled on around 20g for each aileron, 33g for the rudder and 25g for the elevator. Gyroid infill. Anyway, this ended up being way too tail heavy. I hoped I could put my battery all the way forward but to not avail. It was not enough. I ended up using 80g of lead in the front to balance out that rudder and elevator on my 1500mAh lipo. Total AUW 780g.

Maiden flight:
Initially I used an Emax 2822 - 1200KV to maiden the plane, but as it was so heavy it was barely flyable, I couldn't get it to go 3 mistakes high. It needed full power to stay up.

Ripping off the rudder:
I decided to replace the ABS rudder with a correx one (33g down to 7g + bbq skewers for stiffness - say 11g at the max). I also swapped the motor for a heavier 2212 - 2700kv unit and since its way up front, it will help with CG. I still ended up needing 40g nose weight. I also halfed the powerpod since all the electronics were unfront anyway lol... This brought the nose weight requirement down a tad again. I am roughly now on 670g AUW with a 3S 1500mAh, maybe a tad lighter. Still a decent amount above the suggest 510g by FT, however, I do have 315w of power.

Re-maiden:
Like a bird on roids! She's quick, super quick. Unlimited vertical and oh wait battery flat... Yup, 3min flights are a push. My 2200mah gets me about 4min but its an old lipo so theres a difference in power, I can feel it. Otherwise she flies great. Something to get used to.

To Do Still (Hopefully before this weekend):
I am gonna rip off the ABS elevator and put a correx piece in. Should allow me to get rid of the remaining 35-40g of lead up front when on my 1500mAh. I also want to give it a a paint job as the correx white can get hard to see in the clouds.
I have three 6x5.5 props in the toolbox... I know I shouldn't use em on this. I know. Right? Too much. Yes... Too much. I already have 315w with my current 6x4... but I do want to see what it'll do lol.
Hoping to get an updated video this weekend as well as some newer pics.

Heres a quick video from last Sunday at the field before the rain came, unfortunately this is with the 2200mAh so not as quick as my newer 1500mAh. No lead needed with 2200mAh.

Fast Flite Test Bloody Baron in Correx
Looks sweet! I have wanted to build another Bloody Baron sometime and put a 3536 1800kv motor on it just to see what happens! 😂 (Welcome to the forum BTW!)
 

Piotrsko

Legendary member
Can tell you what happens: the adrenalin shakes after the flight if it survives the first one. It's  fast and twitchy as sin with all sort of stuff going on while you sort out the trim. Loops on full up trim, rolls on full aileron trim. Point straight up, let it get high, chop throttle to slow down, mess with trim. I did mention fast and twitchy.
Second flight, whoa momma, never going back to slow again.
 

telnar1236

Elite member
Hey Guys :)

New to FT Forum, came here from RC Groups, think it was Mr Man that pushed me to come here thanks to his great CAD tutorials.

Recently been crashing 3D printed planes which was getting to me a bit. So I decided, I like what Flite Test does, lemme give one of their planes a go. I had some correx on hand, some spare electronics so why not. To better my CAD skills, I tried to make it a hybrid so Correx + 3D ABS printed parts. More on that later.

Built from the original Baron plans, just increased the wingspan ever so slightly to 750mm. I used 2mm correx and so had to change things here and there to make things fit together from the original 5mm foam used.
I also had some carbon DIY pushrods from a previous plane that I managed to get to fit here as I knew it was gonna be fast so I wanted maximum torque from my cheap 9g servos.

Final Config:
Motor: 2212 - 2700kv with a 6x4 prop
ESC: 40A
Lipo: 3S 1500-2200
6mm Carbon rod infused in a 3d printed wing spar

Printing:
I decided to print the powerpod, wing spar, ailerons, elevator and rudder since the scallops are a bit tough to cut perfectly out of correx. Since Correx can go in the sun I wanted to use a filament that can go in the sun. Std PLA is heavy but prints so great, ABS is lighter but a bit harder to print. However, I just couldn't get a stiff enough flat part without going to crazy weights even with ABS. I eventually settled on around 20g for each aileron, 33g for the rudder and 25g for the elevator. Gyroid infill. Anyway, this ended up being way too tail heavy. I hoped I could put my battery all the way forward but to not avail. It was not enough. I ended up using 80g of lead in the front to balance out that rudder and elevator on my 1500mAh lipo. Total AUW 780g.

Maiden flight:
Initially I used an Emax 2822 - 1200KV to maiden the plane, but as it was so heavy it was barely flyable, I couldn't get it to go 3 mistakes high. It needed full power to stay up.

Ripping off the rudder:
I decided to replace the ABS rudder with a correx one (33g down to 7g + bbq skewers for stiffness - say 11g at the max). I also swapped the motor for a heavier 2212 - 2700kv unit and since its way up front, it will help with CG. I still ended up needing 40g nose weight. I also halfed the powerpod since all the electronics were unfront anyway lol... This brought the nose weight requirement down a tad again. I am roughly now on 670g AUW with a 3S 1500mAh, maybe a tad lighter. Still a decent amount above the suggest 510g by FT, however, I do have 315w of power.

Re-maiden:
Like a bird on roids! She's quick, super quick. Unlimited vertical and oh wait battery flat... Yup, 3min flights are a push. My 2200mah gets me about 4min but its an old lipo so theres a difference in power, I can feel it. Otherwise she flies great. Something to get used to.

To Do Still (Hopefully before this weekend):
I am gonna rip off the ABS elevator and put a correx piece in. Should allow me to get rid of the remaining 35-40g of lead up front when on my 1500mAh. I also want to give it a a paint job as the correx white can get hard to see in the clouds.
I have three 6x5.5 props in the toolbox... I know I shouldn't use em on this. I know. Right? Too much. Yes... Too much. I already have 315w with my current 6x4... but I do want to see what it'll do lol.
Hoping to get an updated video this weekend as well as some newer pics.

Heres a quick video from last Sunday at the field before the rain came, unfortunately this is with the 2200mAh so not as quick as my newer 1500mAh. No lead needed with 2200mAh.

Fast Flite Test Bloody Baron in Correx
Looks good - that's an interesting material option - looks a lot smoother than foam board. How's the durability?
 

cd0g17

Member
Thanks for the compliments guys!
This weekend I did another 7 flights in some light rain, no weight needed this time after the elevator was changed to correx. So the entire tail section is correx only.
And what a difference. Its such a nimble easy to fly plane now. Slow flight is much better. I can actually land it rather slow which is perfect cause I hate hurting my lipo's.

@telnar1236, durability on correx is great even at 2mm. My very first flight at 780g came down in a nose dive, prop broken, ABS power pod destroyed. However the plane itself was fine, just had a bend line on the nose. Thats it. Other planes I have built out of correx that I have crashed all broke rather lightly as well. I would say though that it is slightly harder to repair, one has to 'double up the wall' to hide the cracks where as foam one can just a cut a new piece and glue it in. I am going to paint my Baron soon, but that is a challenge too as paint doesnt stick as well as other materials. But I do have a plane that has about 100+ flights on it with the original paint job and its still super clean. Just need to use quality paint and let it dry for a few days.

I decided, since it flew so well, let me make it better. I am swapping the ABS ailerons to correx now. Saving another 30g there. This coming weekend I hope to have some paint on the Baron and then I am switching to a 5x5 prop to see if I can get it to go a bit quicker. Hopefully it won't be raining then so hopefully someone else will be at the field to take a video.

@Houndpup Rc, I think a 3536 1800kv on one of these would be insanity 😂 but I'd love to see it!
 

cd0g17

Member
@telnar1236, Here's some pics of my previous builds this year all from 2mm Correx. Once painted they look good and they do last. The red S-Tee is my trainer and like I say has over 100 flights on it.
The F22 flew awesome but I lost it as I was still learning then. I replaced it with the FA18 Super Hornet -> the FA stands for 'Finger Annihilator' since it give me stitches on my finger as I hand launched it. My finger is still not right. Anyway I stuck that motor on the baron which feels much safer to launch lol. 😂 The baron also flies better than that FA18.
 

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Houndpup Rc

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Thanks for the compliments guys!
This weekend I did another 7 flights in some light rain, no weight needed this time after the elevator was changed to correx. So the entire tail section is correx only.
And what a difference. Its such a nimble easy to fly plane now. Slow flight is much better. I can actually land it rather slow which is perfect cause I hate hurting my lipo's.

@telnar1236, durability on correx is great even at 2mm. My very first flight at 780g came down in a nose dive, prop broken, ABS power pod destroyed. However the plane itself was fine, just had a bend line on the nose. Thats it. Other planes I have built out of correx that I have crashed all broke rather lightly as well. I would say though that it is slightly harder to repair, one has to 'double up the wall' to hide the cracks where as foam one can just a cut a new piece and glue it in. I am going to paint my Baron soon, but that is a challenge too as paint doesnt stick as well as other materials. But I do have a plane that has about 100+ flights on it with the original paint job and its still super clean. Just need to use quality paint and let it dry for a few days.

I decided, since it flew so well, let me make it better. I am swapping the ABS ailerons to correx now. Saving another 30g there. This coming weekend I hope to have some paint on the Baron and then I am switching to a 5x5 prop to see if I can get it to go a bit quicker. Hopefully it won't be raining then so hopefully someone else will be at the field to take a video.

@Houndpup Rc, I think a 3536 1800kv on one of these would be insanity 😂 but I'd love to see it!
That's why I would do it! JK:ROFLMAO:
 

Mr Man

Mr SPEED!
@telnar1236, Here's some pics of my previous builds this year all from 2mm Correx. Once painted they look good and they do last. The red S-Tee is my trainer and like I say has over 100 flights on it.
The F22 flew awesome but I lost it as I was still learning then. I replaced it with the FA18 Super Hornet -> the FA stands for 'Finger Annihilator' since it give me stitches on my finger as I hand launched it. My finger is still not right. Anyway I stuck that motor on the baron which feels much safer to launch lol. 😂 The baron also flies better than that FA18.
I always wingtip launch my jets 👍 That’s why I‘ve never had stitches 🤣 jk jk
 

cd0g17

Member
I always wingtip launch my jets 👍 That’s why I‘ve never had stitches 🤣 jk jk
LOL, thats the best way to do it. The problem with the F18 was I didn't realize the power I had. On the maiden, I launched it from underneath with about 50% power perfectly. But since it was a 2700kv, on the 2nd launch I think I went up to about 60-70% and that little bit extra just made the jet go vertical instantly which led to the prop nicking my finger as it escaped my hand.

Tried to explain to the nurses what happened and I just got a blank look on their face. One asked me if I did it on purpose... Later on they called it a helicopter 😂
 

Piotrsko

Legendary member
Had a pot load of psychology to get my bachelor's degree, mostly true false multiple guess tests, no homework, cute single girl classmates in early am classes. Anyway: some things that people do intentionally are mind blowing stoopid and ER people see the worst of humanity verified by paramedic son