An Old Fart, venturing into the final frontier of RC!

[PoorManRC]

personally I only use my glue gun to lock in or mount the servos, (so I can remover them easily later).

Later when the mail arrives and you start your build Please do not forget to document and post your progress and other achievements.
Even at this early stage your experiences could help others with even less experience or skill.
Have fun!

I will definitely be posting progress.!! If there's anything that might help anybody, I'm glad to contribute. I still can't believe that I'm starting with a scratchbuild...... Complete with printing plans!!!
Over my head? Maybe. I do love a challenge though!

 

[Hai-Lee]

I will definitely be posting progress.!! If there's anything that might help anybody, I'm glad to contribute. I still can't believe that I'm starting with a scratchbuild...... Complete with printing plans!!!
Over my head? Maybe. I do love a challenge though!

Just like watching your child take his/her first steps. A moment of worth for those watching but a great leap into the world for the one taking the steps!

Have fun!

 

[kilroy07]

Gorilla glue - white gorilla glue if you can find it (foams a little less).

So, just bought a bottle and it suggests misting with water, do you do that? Or does it work just as well without?

Going to try it on my Storch build for the first time. I see a lot of people recommend it, just not whether they wet it first.

Thanks!

 

[basslord1124]

So, just bought a bottle and it suggests misting with water, do you do that? Or does it work just as well without?

Going to try it on my Storch build for the first time. I see a lot of people recommend it, just not whether they wet it first.

Thanks!

Adding water to GG will expand it like crazy. If you are going to use it to glue the Storch I'd do it without water. It should hold just fine without it. It takes longer to set too so make sure you hold it good or clamp it.

I think the adding water part of GG works best for balsa models if needed.

 

[PoorManRC]

So, just bought a bottle and it suggests misting with water, do you do that? Or does it work just as well without?

Going to try it on my Storch build for the first time. I see a lot of people recommend it, just not whether they wet it first.

Thanks!

Absolutely don't spray water. I've used it for years in my other Hobby.... It will distort all of your edges!
BUT, you may want to wipe the corners with a damp cloth where you glued, after a couple of minutes after you get the corner braced. That will expand any glue seeping out of the edges, reinforcing the corners.

You just reminded me... I FORGOT GORILLA GLUE!!! That's going to be a long delay until I can afford some.

 

[PoorManRC]

Something else I'm going to try....
Since my "little kid" mini Hot Glue Gun will be basically USELESS for building all but the smallest things....

I thought (Ruh-Roh!!), maybe I can use glue across the long seams, but use my baby gun to put 1" strips along the joint, to at least hold them in place sooner.
Doable???

 

[kilroy07]

That's pretty much what I think most people suggest doing... After an exhaustive search I found what Rockyboy posted awhile ago;
https://forum.flitetest.com/index.php?threads/which-glue-gun.37762/#post-430162

Basically run the GG leaving a couple gaps, fill gaps with hotglue. Hold in place until the hotglue sets (which "should" (read "I hope") keep the part in place long enough for the GG to set. I'm going to try the wings tonight...

 

[PoorManRC]

Please let me know!!
My Storch should be here any time now!!

 

[rockyboy]

That's pretty much what I think most people suggest doing... After an exhaustive search I found what Rockyboy posted awhile ago;
https://forum.flitetest.com/index.php?threads/which-glue-gun.37762/#post-430162

Basically run the GG leaving a couple gaps, fill gaps with hotglue. Hold in place until the hotglue sets (which "should" (read "I hope") keep the part in place long enough for the GG to set. I'm going to try the wings tonight...

That's the technique I used to hold together almost every DTFB plane that's still hanging up in my shop.

 

[PoorManRC]

Well, I've just been thrown a big Monkey Wrench....
My Hot Glue Gun is not just small - it's USELESS! It's a Low Temp Gun.... 22 Watt. Even IF it worked, I'm in Arizona remember....
Parts of the Plane would likely FALL OFF in mid flight!!

I'm screwed.........

 

[d8veh]

Instead of theorising construction techniques and process capabilities, you should grab some foam board and start making something. It takes a while to get the hang of whatever technique you use, and the last thing you want is to mess up your nice Storch kit. Go and make a few chuck-gliders or something. A Tiny Trainer is dead simple and quick. It will train you to build as well as fly. Most likely, you'll completely mess up your first attempts. When you have enough confidence in your ability to build right, you can build a plane that you actually want to fly. The rest you can give to the local kids.

 

[Mode 1]

Part's arn't suppose to fall off mid-flight?? Gosh. I've been doing this all wrong

 

[rockyboy]

Well, I've just been thrown a big Monkey Wrench....
My Hot Glue Gun is not just small - it's USELESS! It's a Low Temp Gun.... 22 Watt. Even IF it worked, I'm in Arizona remember....
Parts of the Plane would likely FALL OFF in mid flight!!

I'm screwed.........

Please see my many comments about using Gorilla Glue with little dabs of hot glue only used to hold parts in place while the Gorilla Glue cures. Really, it does honestly work very well, and there are multiple builders in Texas and Arizona and Florida who use this and have no problems with the heat. As long as the Gorilla Glue is cured before you put the plane out in the sun, it'll all work out fine.

I use a little dinky $7 toy low temp 22 watt hot glue gun for every foamy plane I build that needs hot glue. It happened to be the one I owned when I started building Flite Test planes and I was too impatient (and cheap) to buy a new one on my first plane - and since it worked I've never bothered spending the money for a bigger one. As far as I'm concerned, a bigger hot glue gun is a waste of money, but I do understand the urge to buy more tools

 

[makattack]

Heh, if you use Gorilla Glue, the low temp hot melt glue is really only like "painters tape" that you just never remove... It's really just to hold pieces together until the real glue that adds strength/bonding to the parts is cured/dry. If you use white gorilla glue, the foaming should be not as bad so long as you don't use an excess of glue. The foaming is actually good in that it adds strength by filling in gaps in the seam. If you're in AZ, in an air conditioned space where you build, I suspect you might need some water to kick the glue into curing mode. I would just dip a q-tip or swab of cotton in water and run it along the seams where you're going to glue, run the glue, then press together, using the hot glue in those strategic spots you didn't run the glue through to hold the pieces together.

 

[PoorManRC]

Heh, if you use Gorilla Glue, the low temp hot melt glue is really only like "painters tape" that you just never remove... It's really just to hold pieces together until the real glue that adds strength/bonding to the parts is cured/dry. If you use white gorilla glue, the foaming should be not as bad so long as you don't use an excess of glue. The foaming is actually good in that it adds strength by filling in gaps in the seam. If you're in AZ, in an air conditioned space where you build, I suspect you might need some water to kick the glue into curing mode. I would just dip a q-tip or swab of cotton in water and run it along the seams where you're going to glue, run the glue, then press together, using the hot glue in those strategic spots you didn't run the glue through to hold the pieces together.

Thank You! Yeah, one thing we don't have, is Humidity!! I was going to mist after applying GG. Should I dampen Foam FIRST?
Sometimes, my OCD gets the best of me.... I want it to be RIGHT so badly, that sometimes I forget to have fun.

So... the low temp Glue won't create any problems? Good!!

 

[PoorManRC]

Instead of theorising construction techniques and process capabilities, you should grab some foam board and start making something. It takes a while to get the hang of whatever technique you use, and the last thing you want is to mess up your nice Storch kit. Go and make a few chuck-gliders or something. A Tiny Trainer is dead simple and quick. It will train you to build as well as fly. Most likely, you'll completely mess up your first attempts. When you have enough confidence in your ability to build right, you can build a plane that you actually want to fly. The rest you can give to the local kids.

What a GREAT idea!!! Build some simple one sheet, 3 Channel Flyers, and give them to Kids (provided they're not destroyed!!

I think. A LOT. Too much! Some of you may have noticed.... I try not to. My Dad was a VERY analytical Man, and our many conversations kinda made me that way.
.....I REALLY don't like it as a concept, but I'm curious to build a Nutball!!! I'm also doing a MM Sportster.

And why not do a Long EZ Chuck glider? Play with the Grandkids, and learn techniques. Thanks!!

 

[PoorManRC]

Please see my many comments about using Gorilla Glue with little dabs of hot glue only used to hold parts in place while the Gorilla Glue cures. Really, it does honestly work very well, and there are multiple builders in Texas and Arizona and Florida who use this and have no problems with the heat. As long as the Gorilla Glue is cured before you put the plane out in the sun, it'll all work out fine.

I use a little dinky $7 toy low temp 22 watt hot glue gun for every foamy plane I build that needs hot glue. It happened to be the one I owned when I started building Flite Test planes and I was too impatient (and cheap) to buy a new one on my first plane - and since it worked I've never bothered spending the money for a bigger one. As far as I'm concerned, a bigger hot glue gun is a waste of money, but I do understand the urge to buy more tools

I'm getting conflicting information about the "White Gorilla Glue"... Have you or anyone else used it? I can get 3X as much of the White Stuff as the Brown...

 

[kilroy07]

I bought white, it seems to work great as long as you DON'T use too much...

I think the bottle said anything under 40% humidity might need some moisture to cure.
I wore some disposable gloves after the first run, the stuff will find any crack or pinhole to ooze out of and get everywhere!

 

[PoorManRC]

I bought white, it seems to work great as long as you DON'T use too much...

I think the bottle said anything under 40% humidity might need some moisture to cure.
I wore some disposable gloves after the first run, the stuff will find any crack or pinhole to ooze out of and get everywhere!

I'll have to work on sparingly.... In my other Hobbies, HEAVY is GOOD! I know this will be the exact opposite!! I'll have to try to dig up my mister bottle too.
Thanks again for all the extra supplies! It's going to be a huge help!

 

[rockyboy]

I'm getting conflicting information about the "White Gorilla Glue"... Have you or anyone else used it? I can get 3X as much of the White Stuff as the Brown...

I use both white and brown gorilla glue - generally speaking I use the white when I want it to foam out less, and the brown when I do want some foaming action. But they will both work just fine to hold foam together.