Anyone know what the biggest DTFB or FTFB plane is?

FoamyDM

Building Fool-Flying Noob
Moderator
Thanks for the shout-outs guys! If we're talking "foam" as a general material, then Peter's 30ft plane has me beat. Below that would be my 24ft C-47, which was also foam, but not "foamboard".

If we're restricting the description to Adams-style "foamboard", then - to my knowledge - the B-52 we built at Flite Fest 2019 is the largest. 14ft wingspan, 12.5ft long and ~32lbs.
What was the spine of that Ben, I can't remember?
 

FoamyDM

Building Fool-Flying Noob
Moderator
The Twin Noob Wonder I brought and flew Last year was 12.5' and did loops, It is nearly all Foam. There is a Dollar tree thin metal broom handle connecting the wings to the body.
1752476599371.png


The Twin has a 30" center section bringing the Total Wingsan to 150"- The wings are built like the previous years wings, AUW-16lbs
I specifically designed it to be all Adams Readi-Board Construction.

I think Ben's B-52 is the winner here, but there are many interesting ways to tackle the strength concern.
 

Piotrsko

Legendary member
Like I was saying, but didn't: brute strength is easey peasey ( add structure) flexure doing odd stuff on lite structures...........unless you designed it to have swoopy bent wings without full length ailerons.
 

Houndpup Rc

Legendary member
Like I was saying, but didn't: brute strength is easey peasey ( add structure) flexure doing odd stuff on lite structures...........unless you designed it to have swoopy bent wings without full length ailerons.
You can always add a wood spar right?
 

Piotrsko

Legendary member
Build it any way you want. Carbon fibers are really strong in tension, but wood also is good in compression, the other part of strength. Whack a cf spar with a 16 oz hammer and you just ruined the CF, but it just dents the wood. Remember everything dynamic has an opposite force trying to cancel out
 

Houndpup Rc

Legendary member
Build it any way you want. Carbon fibers are really strong in tension, but wood also is good in compression, the other part of strength. Whack a cf spar with a 16 oz hammer and you just ruined the CF, but it just dents the wood. Remember everything dynamic has an opposite force trying to cancel out
Yeah...But CF for that big a plane could cost a lot....
 

Mid7night

Jetman
Mentor
What was the spine of that Ben, I can't remember?
Do you mean in the fuselage or wing?

The fuselage was just an empty box section. A few foamboard doublers at seam joints and a few triangle-gussets in some corners, but no wood or carbon, and no central “spine”.

The wings each had two full-length foamboard spars. Nothing else down the span. To JOIN the wings together they had three CF tubes that crossed centerline, but only right at the root.

There were also two short CF tubes, mounted sideways in the fuse; but those were only to hold straps for attaching the wing, they did not contribute to fuselage stiffness or strength.

It should also be mentioned that the “Monster BUFF” was 100% “Monster Foam”: the double-thick (well, 185%-thick) foamboard that FT had for a short while.

The main reason the wings didn’t need an additional spar was Span Loading: EACH wing had approximately 60ft of 14AWG wire and four motors and nacelles! At least half, maybe more, of the entire aircraft weight was distributed down the wing instead of being concentrated in the fuselage. Even then, you can clearly see the wings flex considerably on the flight video.

IMG_7764.png
 

Piotrsko

Legendary member
Hmmm. Actually never considered multiple layers of foamboard skins. Mind blowing concept that would work well. Mikey likes. Well except for building the wing twice, but oh well.

A real Buff wings move about 8ft up or down at the tips. Latest models of boeing stuff does ditto if you ever sat at the takeoff end of the runways watching planes. Until the police come by and tell you to leave.