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mad_milchmann
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THX. but I'm not satisfied how the taping of the Wing looks. I hve to practice that (and maybe not do it in the middle of the night while watching TV 
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I hope I'll find time to maiden it soon... but my weekends are quite busy at the time
)I hope I'll find time to maiden it soon... but my weekends are quite busy at the time
It's Sooo Tiny!
Not sure if this is going to fly yet, but I figured I'd share it anyway.
Mighty Mini Baron...
It's 60% size of the original. 18" wing span. Uses the Flite Test Mighty Mini power pod. I may end up having to scale it up a little yet...we'll see. It is significantly smaller than the FT Mighty Mini Scout!
Not sure if this is going to fly yet, but I figured I'd share it anyway.
Mighty Mini Baron...
It's 60% size of the original. 18" wing span. Uses the Flite Test Mighty Mini power pod. I may end up having to scale it up a little yet...we'll see. It is significantly smaller than the FT Mighty Mini Scout!
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mad_milchmann
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looking forward to your test, if it's going to work. maybe with thinner foamboard if it's to heavy? where I usually buy it, they have 3mm and 5mm to choose from.
good, thing that I already ordered electronics for a mini power-pod
and again: I should have ordered more 5g servos
good, thing that I already ordered electronics for a mini power-pod
and again: I should have ordered more 5g servos
I don't think weight will be an issue. But if it is, I am already thinking about pulling out the fuselage doublers.
I'm in the same boat. I ordered 4 5 gram servos for the two FT mini kits I ordered. I had to destroy my Mini Scout to take the servos out so I could build a Mini Guinea.
I need to order some more.LooseBruce
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That is a cute little plane for sure. If I was trying to reduce weight I would remove paper wherever I could. My first choice would be in the fuselage doublers. BTW I had torn off the wing on my Bloody Baron (one of my favorite flyers) the other day in a crash. I repaired it with hot glue not well enough. Yesterday at high altitude the wing folded and it dropped to the ground FAST.
It is repaired what I call more better now. This is a very durable plane. The first crash SHOULD have killed it and the 2nd crash should have buried it. NOW it will fly again. I really like this plane. Thanks Sponz,
LooseBruce
That thing looks good. When you fly, I am willing to bet that it will feel pitchy. That's just my opinion trying to beat out the test flight. If that is the case, a slightly longer fuselage should help. or shorten the chord but keep the leading edge in the same location.
I built a 15" span version of one of my scratch builds, it was scaled evenly but was very pitchy. I scrapped it without trying a longer trailing edge to stabilizer.
That plane is too pretty to scrap if it does not work the first time out.
I built a 15" span version of one of my scratch builds, it was scaled evenly but was very pitchy. I scrapped it without trying a longer trailing edge to stabilizer.
That plane is too pretty to scrap if it does not work the first time out.
Thanks, I'll definitely keep that in mind. After putting all the electronics in it tonight, I'm thinking 70% would have been a better choice to scale down to. It's a tight fit even with the 5 gram servos. I highly doubt 9 grams would even fit. The good news is, it's finished and ready to fly now. All up Weight (AUW) id 150 grams with a 460 mah 2S nano-tech! That's 30 grams lighter than the bare airframe for the Bloody Baron.
Cool. I am looking forward to seeing flight video. My attempt at the smaller version of mine used the 9g servos and other gear from my regular builds. That's when I realized that my gear weight wasn't scaling down with the fuselage weight. I have yet to invest in smaller servos and motors, so I have been sticking with my standard size builds.
What motor do you recommend for those little builds? Is the same motor used in the Mini's acceptable? I was thinking of using one of these for my lighter builds. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__5358__18_11_2000kv_Micro_Brushless_Outrunner_10g_.html.
I hope to add a Bloody Baron to the mix in time for Flite Fest. Looking forward to meeting you and flying together.
What motor do you recommend for those little builds? Is the same motor used in the Mini's acceptable? I was thinking of using one of these for my lighter builds. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__5358__18_11_2000kv_Micro_Brushless_Outrunner_10g_.html.
I hope to add a Bloody Baron to the mix in time for Flite Fest. Looking forward to meeting you and flying together.
I am using the MT1804 motor that FT uses for the Mighty Minis. The motor you are looking at looks like it could work. Little lower kv rating and looks lit it is only rated for 2S. the 1804 can run 2S or 3S. I only have 460 and 800 2S right now. But if this mini Baron works I will order some 3S to try out. I want to try combat with a mini.
I wanted to go with 2s for the weight. Slow is ok when the planes gets smaller. Too fast and I lose perspective before I can get turned around. I gotta keep those little things in close and give myself some reaction time.
Combat with the mini would be fun. There would need to be twice as many in the air or we would never hit each other.
Combat with the mini would be fun. There would need to be twice as many in the air or we would never hit each other
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Same here.
The Mini Baron flew! Unfortunately my camera man was off taking flight lessons, so I don't have any video yet.
I only put one battery through it as it was a little windy (10 mph+) at the field. For the first toss I only had it at about 1/2 throttle not knowing what to expect, and I tossed it very lightly. Turns out, that wasn't enough power and I quickly put it in the dirt nose first. Apart from getting that nice red anodized spinner full of a little dirt, there was no damage at all to the Mini Baron. Lesson learned, 3/4 throttle take off and a good healthy throw into the wind for the second launch. I have the low rates setup for 60% with 30% expo. It wanted to roll a little to the right and dive so I put a couple clicks of trim in to take care of that. Some of that may have been due to the wind though.
Right out of the gate I noticed that it was very twitchy on the controls. It has more than enough power for unlimited vertical on the 2S. I wouldn't say that it is too pitch sensitive, as it was just as twitchy with the aileron inputs. I think having my expo jacked up to 50-60% would help as well as dialing the throws way down (maybe even as low as 40%). That said, I think I can increase the scale to somewhere between 65-70% and still have a great flying little plane.
Looking for feedback on this one guys! What are your thoughts?
Another picture to get a sense of scale. Mini Baron nose-to-nose with the ParkZone UMX Spitfire.
I only put one battery through it as it was a little windy (10 mph+) at the field. For the first toss I only had it at about 1/2 throttle not knowing what to expect, and I tossed it very lightly. Turns out, that wasn't enough power and I quickly put it in the dirt nose first. Apart from getting that nice red anodized spinner full of a little dirt, there was no damage at all to the Mini Baron. Lesson learned, 3/4 throttle take off and a good healthy throw into the wind for the second launch. I have the low rates setup for 60% with 30% expo. It wanted to roll a little to the right and dive so I put a couple clicks of trim in to take care of that. Some of that may have been due to the wind though.
Right out of the gate I noticed that it was very twitchy on the controls. It has more than enough power for unlimited vertical on the 2S. I wouldn't say that it is too pitch sensitive, as it was just as twitchy with the aileron inputs. I think having my expo jacked up to 50-60% would help as well as dialing the throws way down (maybe even as low as 40%). That said, I think I can increase the scale to somewhere between 65-70% and still have a great flying little plane.
Looking for feedback on this one guys! What are your thoughts?
Another picture to get a sense of scale. Mini Baron nose-to-nose with the ParkZone UMX Spitfire.
mad_milchmann
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Whow I didn't realize HOW small it is, when i first read your post. (I didn't convert the imperial to metric size when i read them, so the numbers didn't were a clue )
I just realized it when I saw the picture next to the UMX plane.
Glad to hear that it flies, the order for more 5g servos is going to be placed today.
I wouldn't scale it up. I love the mini-size. I was thinking about getting an UMX or HK fun fighter for quite a while, because I wanted something i can just throw in my backpack and take with me. That's going to be the mini Baron now
But now I can't decide if to finish the Tiny-trainer I started or directly using the electronics I planned for it to build the mini-baron
concernign the twitchieness:
Aren't all those small planes quite twitchy? I think with enough expo and low enough rates you should be able to control it... at least I would try getting it under control first before sizing up.
and of course some questions
You have built it without Rudder, haven't you? I can't see that exactly on the pics (maybe I can find enough servos then to build it AND the Tiny Trainer without having to wait for new servos to arrive )
I was thinking about building it with a detachable wing - so just fixing the wing with rubber bands. do you think that would hold up? It would make it extremely transportable... so It would be easier to smuggle it into the car for the next vacation without my girlfriend noticing until it's too late
)I just realized it when I saw the picture next to the UMX plane.
Glad to hear that it flies, the order for more 5g servos is going to be placed today.
I wouldn't scale it up. I love the mini-size. I was thinking about getting an UMX or HK fun fighter for quite a while, because I wanted something i can just throw in my backpack and take with me. That's going to be the mini Baron now
But now I can't decide if to finish the Tiny-trainer I started or directly using the electronics I planned for it to build the mini-baron
concernign the twitchieness:
Aren't all those small planes quite twitchy? I think with enough expo and low enough rates you should be able to control it... at least I would try getting it under control first before sizing up.
and of course some questions
You have built it without Rudder, haven't you? I can't see that exactly on the pics (maybe I can find enough servos then to build it AND the Tiny Trainer without having to wait for new servos to arrive
)I was thinking about building it with a detachable wing - so just fixing the wing with rubber bands. do you think that would hold up? It would make it extremely transportable... so It would be easier to smuggle it into the car for the next vacation without my girlfriend noticing until it's too late
Whow I didn't realize HOW small it is, when i first read your post. (I didn't convert the imperial to metric size when i read them, so the numbers didn't were a clue
I just realized it when I saw the picture next to the UMX plane.
Yeah, that's why I wanted to put that picture up, sometimes it's hard to get a sense of scale from a picture. It's really tiny.
I wouldn't scale it up. I love the mini-size. I was thinking about getting an UMX or HK fun fighter for quite a while, because I wanted something i can just throw in my backpack and take with me. That's going to be the mini Baron now
But now I can't decide if to finish the Tiny-trainer I started or directly using the electronics I planned for it to build the mini-baron
concernign the twitchieness:
Aren't all those small planes quite twitchy? I think with enough expo and low enough rates you should be able to control it... at least I would try getting it under control first before sizing up.
I plan on putting a few more batteries through it and test some rates and expos before I make a decision on scale. Might be a while as the weather isn't ideal for flying here right now. Especially for a plane this small.
and of course some questions
You have built it without Rudder, haven't you? I can't see that exactly on the pics (maybe I can find enough servos then to build it AND the Tiny Trainer without having to wait for new servos to arrive
I did build this one without a rudder. I honestly don't think the rudder is going to do much for this small of a a plane. That said, like it's big brother, you could probably add one. Although cramming another servo in somewhere might get tight and you would have to get it to balance too. I'm sure there will be some that will try it, but it isn't something I plan to design for with this version.
I was thinking about building it with a detachable wing - so just fixing the wing with rubber bands. do you think that would hold up? It would make it extremely transportable... so It would be easier to smuggle it into the car for the next vacation without my girlfriend noticing until it's too late
I'm sure that it would work. Just add some dowels/skewers like some of the FT designs, and you could rubber band it on. I would make sure you use the tab-and-slot location to help keep the wing positioned/oriented. I think that you would want to reinforce the tabs with some extreme packing tape to make the last longer as well. It's definitely a cool concept. If you try it out, please post some pictures and let me know how it works.
LooseBruce
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Bout the removable wing.
I'm sure that it would work. Just add some dowels/skewers like some of the FT designs, and you could rubber band it on. I would make sure you use the tab-and-slot location to help keep the wing positioned/oriented. I think that you would want to reinforce the tabs with some extreme packing tape to make the last longer as well. It's definitely a cool concept. If you try it out, please post some pictures and let me know how it works.
I believe the wing could be easily removable.On my Bloody Baron I recently ripped the wings off it in flight (not easy to do by any means). I considered making the new installation removable but finally decided against it because it is not that long of a wing.I think it would be easy to do though. You could even use the bamboo skewer in the fuselage for the back connection of the rubber band. Very nice mini build you have there.
LooseBruce
I'm sure that it would work. Just add some dowels/skewers like some of the FT designs, and you could rubber band it on. I would make sure you use the tab-and-slot location to help keep the wing positioned/oriented. I think that you would want to reinforce the tabs with some extreme packing tape to make the last longer as well. It's definitely a cool concept. If you try it out, please post some pictures and let me know how it works.
I believe the wing could be easily removable.On my Bloody Baron I recently ripped the wings off it in flight (not easy to do by any means). I considered making the new installation removable but finally decided against it because it is not that long of a wing.I think it would be easy to do though. You could even use the bamboo skewer in the fuselage for the back connection of the rubber band. Very nice mini build you have there.
LooseBruce
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mad_milchmann
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OK I already thought about reinforcing the tabs with some thin scrap-plastik from a laminator (do you call it that in english? the thing wich encloses paper in plastik foil by heating it up - the favourite elctronic device of all primary-school teachers.
)but my main concern would have been if the rubber bands are capable of holding the wing at high-g manouevers - would be bad if the wing goes another way then the fuselage
I have only experience with slower planes up until now, so I wasn't sure about that.since there are some people interested in how it turns out, I'll probably build it before i continue with my tiny trainer.
good thing, I don't have to work next week, so I should be able to build it then.
I would also like to ask: HOW!?
