CARBON FIBER DISCUSSION

Zoom Master

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Didn't imply it COULDN'T be done, just implied it's tough to do at these speeds when the mechanism is halfway engineered. These guys are using solid CF rudders on thick skin big diameter booms and probably experienced every failure you can get. You'll notice they all have smallish moving surfaces. Wonder why? ( I actually know why)
Okkk I wasn't able to properly reply to anything when u posted this so im replying to it again.....yes I sort of knew they were using solid CF rudders but thats to be expected when ur plane is flying at 400-500 mph. For now my plane Is only going to be going 300 mph so I think I can get away with some foam core wings and foam CF rudders.....and once I break 300 mph thats when im going decide whether I wanna build a airplane to get to 400 or should I buy a glider like the ones above.
 

Zoom Master

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Didn't imply it COULDN'T be done, just implied it's tough to do at these speeds when the mechanism is halfway engineered. These guys are using solid CF rudders on thick skin big diameter booms and probably experienced every failure you can get. You'll notice they all have smallish moving surfaces. Wonder why? ( I actually know why)
And which smallish moving surfaces ?
 

telnar1236

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I was sort of planning on just using 2-3 9 gram non metal servos……
You almost certainly want metal gear servos. I won't say plastic gear servos will fail for sure or that metal gear servos won't, but metal gear servos are not substantially more expensive especially when we're talking about a carbon fiber airframe and are certainly more reliable and safer
 

telnar1236

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Well then why do some of the worlds fastest rc planes all have T tails ?
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T tails are probably the most efficient type of tail, but they're only slightly more efficient than a more conventional design or V tail. There's also frequently a tendency to base rc designs on other similar designs that have worked in the past. There is no such thing as an optimal design since every design has tradeoffs. If you're trying to get every bit of performance you can out of a plane, a T tail or flying wing design is probably the best option. That said, you do not need a T tail to achieve high performance and if you look at full-scale high-performance racers, very few of them have one. It is completely possible to build a working one but there is absolutely not a requirement to for the performance you have described. Basically, if you want a T tail, go for it - I like the way they look and have included one on a couple designs - but they are harder to build and may not give you much benefit.
 

Zoom Master

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T tails are probably the most efficient type of tail, but they're only slightly more efficient than a more conventional design or V tail. There's also frequently a tendency to base rc designs on other similar designs that have worked in the past. There is no such thing as an optimal design since every design has tradeoffs. If you're trying to get every bit of performance you can out of a plane, a T tail or flying wing design is probably the best option. That said, you do not need a T tail to achieve high performance and if you look at full-scale high-performance racers, very few of them have one. It is completely possible to build a working one but there is absolutely not a requirement to for the performance you have described. Basically, if you want a T tail, go for it - I like the way they look and have included one on a couple designs - but they are harder to build and may not give you much benefit.
True they are harder to build but I honestly like how the T tail looks in general and I want my plane to have one so that’s what I’m gonna go for.
 

Zoom Master

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Don't go cheap on this unless ...
...you are intentionally saving money for an overly expensive attorney to help you with the manslaughter, etc., charges. 😲
True I’m not going cheap out on really anything as this is a 300 mph build os I don’t get to really go cheap on any part of the build.
 
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Zoom Master

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True they are harder to build but I honestly like how the T tail looks in general and I want my plane to have one so that’s what I’m gonna go for.
T tails are probably the most efficient type of tail, but they're only slightly more efficient than a more conventional design or V tail. There's also frequently a tendency to base rc designs on other similar designs that have worked in the past. There is no such thing as an optimal design since every design has tradeoffs. If you're trying to get every bit of performance you can out of a plane, a T tail or flying wing design is probably the best option. That said, you do not need a T tail to achieve high performance and if you look at full-scale high-performance racers, very few of them have one. It is completely possible to build a working one but there is absolutely not a requirement to for the performance you have described. Basically, if you want a T tail, go for it - I like the way they look and have included one on a couple designs - but they are harder to build and may not give you much benefit.
If im honest Im using a T tail design cause I want my plane to stand out from other pylons and because it looks pretty good but if I start to have to many issues with building it I might just opt for a standard config. Because with a standard config I get to make the vertical and horizontal stab very thin. So I will look into which is easier for me to build !
 

Zoom Master

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If im honest Im using a T tail design cause I want my plane to stand out from other pylons and because it looks pretty good but if I start to have to many issues with building it I might just opt for a standard config. Because with a standard config I get to make the vertical and horizontal stab very thin. So I will look into which is easier for me to build !
It shouldn't be to difficult for me to build because im basically making the whole airplanes "mold" out of foam so im basically just gonna carve out a foam version of the airplane and just cover that in carbon kinda how this guy did (but with fiberglass)
 

Piotrsko

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Ah but the real question of the foam blank method: is it actually fast when you're done? Enough layers of fiber says yes, but if fast was all that easey, everyone would be going very fast. Not many are , so.....must be something keeping people slow. Well, besides drag. And not being able to react. Flying into stuff. Crashing.
 

Zoom Master

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Ah but the real question of the foam blank method: is it actually fast when you're done? Enough layers of fiber says yes, but if fast was all that easey, everyone would be going very fast. Not many are , so.....must be something keeping people slow. Well, besides drag. And not being able to react. Flying into stuff. Crashing.
Im gonna guess not everyone is doing this is because anyone who actually wants to go that fast usually just buys a speedwing and....money is a big factor keeping a lot of people from bieng able to go fast not everyone wants to pay 2k for a turbine to 700 dollars for a motor. And a good amount of people who have owned these types of speedwings have crashed them.......
 

Zoom Master

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Ah but the real question of the foam blank method: is it actually fast when you're done? Enough layers of fiber says yes, but if fast was all that easey, everyone would be going very fast. Not many are , so.....must be something keeping people slow. Well, besides drag. And not being able to react. Flying into stuff. Crashing.
The amount of people going 300 mph are more then u think I personally know about 6 people that have gone 300 mph....and yes they all have big expensive turbine jets. To find people who have gone 300 mph all u need to do is just go to a big rc club in a big expensive city and u will be able to find at least a few people....
 

Piotrsko

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Couple hundred people out of thousands or a million worldwide isn't a big percentage, statistics say you get localized pockets of aberrant data.... Didn't go much more than 200 measured myself because the increments were getting costly and very time consuming even after the plane was airworthy, not to mention flying site issues.
 

Zoom Master

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Couple hundred people out of thousands or a million worldwide isn't a big percentage, statistics say you get localized pockets of aberrant data.... Didn't go much more than 200 measured myself because the increments were getting costly and very time consuming even after the plane was airworthy, not to mention flying site issues.
What flying site issues ?
 

Zoom Master

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What flying site issues ?
Couple hundred people out of thousands or a million worldwide isn't a big percentage, statistics say you get localized pockets of aberrant data.... Didn't go much more than 200 measured myself because the increments were getting costly and very time consuming even after the plane was airworthy, not to mention flying site issues.
Im curious now what flying site issues ?
 

Zoom Master

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You almost certainly want metal gear servos. I won't say plastic gear servos will fail for sure or that metal gear servos won't, but metal gear servos are not substantially more expensive especially when we're talking about a carbon fiber airframe and are certainly more reliable and safer
Ok but what about for my foamboard version that will go 200 can I use 2 9g servos for that ?
 

telnar1236

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Ok but what about for my foamboard version that will go 200 can I use 2 9g servos for that ?
Even at 200, you still want metal gear servos. Probably they're the safe bet for anything over 100 and I certainly wouldn't use plastic going faster than 150. As Airforge said, it's a matter of safety - a 200 mph rc plane has around the same energy as a bullet and could certainly seriously injure or kill someone. You don't want to risk it. Fortunately, metal gear servos are not that expensive. You can get a pack of 4 off Amazon for 14 bucks. It is almost certainly possible to build a plane with plastic gear servos capable of hitting 200, but it's a bad idea, especially with how easy it is to take the safe option.
 

Zoom Master

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Even at 200, you still want metal gear servos. Probably they're the safe bet for anything over 100 and I certainly wouldn't use plastic going faster than 150. As Airforge said, it's a matter of safety - a 200 mph rc plane has around the same energy as a bullet and could certainly seriously injure or kill someone. You don't want to risk it. Fortunately, metal gear servos are not that expensive. You can get a pack of 4 off Amazon for 14 bucks. It is almost certainly possible to build a plane with plastic gear servos capable of hitting 200, but it's a bad idea, especially with how easy it is to take the safe option.
Ok then metal gear servos it is !
 

Zoom Master

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And making a foam model before the carbon model should be pretty smart I dont want what happened to this guy to happen to me.
He build a "supersonic" dynamic glider out of carbon only to crash it in his first flight and now he is testing the design using foam models.
 

Houndpup Rc

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Even at 200, you still want metal gear servos. Probably they're the safe bet for anything over 100 and I certainly wouldn't use plastic going faster than 150. As Airforge said, it's a matter of safety - a 200 mph rc plane has around the same energy as a bullet and could certainly seriously injure or kill someone. You don't want to risk it. Fortunately, metal gear servos are not that expensive. You can get a pack of 4 off Amazon for 14 bucks. It is almost certainly possible to build a plane with plastic gear servos capable of hitting 200, but it's a bad idea, especially with how easy it is to take the safe option.
Yeah I am using 17g metal gear servos for mine...Not only are they stronger but they have more surface area for the glue to hold on to....You are also going to have to have to keep control rod flex in consideration.