FTFC20 Howard DGA-6 (Racing) designed by Mayan

FoamyDM

Building Fool-Flying Noob
Moderator
Enduring that the wing etc works, and it flies as it should, is the first real step. Better to crash a fuselage that is not quite right than to spend hundreds of hours making it perfect and then crash it on the first flight!

When I spend a great deal of time into the build and details - and I haven't maidened the craft yet, it tends to cause me to fear the maiden. That ends badly. Look at my Kalinin K-12. I took time with the details. and I have a hard time bringing myself to maidening it.
 

Hai-Lee

Old and Bold RC PILOT
When I spend a great deal of time into the build and details - and I haven't maidened the craft yet, it tends to cause me to fear the maiden. That ends badly. Look at my Kalinin K-12. I took time with the details. and I have a hard time bringing myself to maidening it.
In my earlier days in FB I also had similar fears, (mind you I had a really poor radio control setup). After I learned that the radio was sus I got a better setup and found that I really could fly without crashing. Then it took a little while to gain faith in my building and designing abilities.

Now I just build it and fly it! You will reach the required level of confidence but it does take time and experience!

To me it is simple in that I test the flying and the controls on a limited complexity build first before investing in the elaborate build. If it won't fly early then adding weight and complexity isn't going to change it for the better!

Your Kalinin will fly, maybe not in the current version or then it might fly as it is. You will one day give it a try and if any issues are found then you will fix the issues and try again! If it doesn't fly it is just a FB paperweight! I have confidence in your ability to build and fly!

Have fun!
 

Vimana89

Legendary member
In my earlier days in FB I also had similar fears, (mind you I had a really poor radio control setup). After I learned that the radio was sus I got a better setup and found that I really could fly without crashing. Then it took a little while to gain faith in my building and designing abilities.

Now I just build it and fly it! You will reach the required level of confidence but it does take time and experience!

To me it is simple in that I test the flying and the controls on a limited complexity build first before investing in the elaborate build. If it won't fly early then adding weight and complexity isn't going to change it for the better!

Your Kalinin will fly, maybe not in the current version or then it might fly as it is. You will one day give it a try and if any issues are found then you will fix the issues and try again! If it doesn't fly it is just a FB paperweight! I have confidence in your ability to build and fly!

Have fun!
That's very much a philosophy I follow. I can appreciate some of the thought and workmanship I see people putting in, especially at the later stages with more polished builds that have gone through many iterations, but with my prototypes, I'm pretty much "bare bones", what does it need to function and prove the concept? That's about it. All the bells and whistles come later for me.

However you approach it, Mayan, I'm sure you will come out on top with a great plane. You are putting a ton of thought in which is good, but like others have said, don't drive yourself too crazy and get too perfectionistic with an untried prototype.
 

FoamyDM

Building Fool-Flying Noob
Moderator
Your Kalinin will fly, maybe not in the current version or then it might fly as it is. You will one day give it a try and if any issues are found then you will fix the issues and try again! If it doesn't fly it is just a FB paperweight! I have confidence in your ability to build and fly!
That made me chuckle. Thanks. for the confidence and laugh.

On that project - for a success builder, I was about to print another plan, build a SIMPLE version of wing. Add a Profile the fuse to chuck and Confirm the CG. Then add a B or C-Pack Motor to the profile and fly it Bank and Yank style like the arrow. THEN go back and finish it and maiden the original. Now, if only I weren't enticed by these challenges. :sneaky:

@mayan - I added my 2 cents for you to know it's normal to worry about a detailed build. I postponed most of my early projects because I knew my piloting skills needed improvement for a base level of success.
 

mayan

Legendary member
Last time I posted about my progress I was stuck working on the front cowl section of the plane, when things weren't working out. This is what I have done so far on the cowl and some addition to the front section to make it look more like the real thing.

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Since I felt stuck and a little discouraged I decided to move on to other parts of the build maybe gain some wins and improve my overall confidence, thus I started working on the elevator and rudder. Which both connect to one another with a slot/tab setup and then both slide into slots on the fuselage. This makes them stay in place pretty good also without hot glue, hot glue added for re-enforcements just in case the worse thing happens.

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After adding the elevator and rudder and making sure that they are leveled. I started placing and gluing in the bottom formers for the cover pieces. Pretty easy to do just have to make sure you glue them down in a certain order otherwise you will have issues making sure things are straight. The way to do it is start from the nose section and work your way to the tail section.

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Now it was time to design the cover for the bottom section of the plane. I was sure I'd have less of a problem designing these over the cowl and I was right. There was still back and forth between AI and paper/foam but much less than expected.
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After a few times of going back and forth I finally felt like I was in the right place and wrote down my almost last comments about what changes needed to be done and went to fix and print the last version for now.

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I had fixed the pieces and re-printed the plans before I went to work that way I could take everything with me to work and if the shift would be quite could keep working on it there. Luckily the shift was prefect not a lot of people called so I managed to achieve this, which I am pretty happy with.

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That's all for now! Tomorrow I'll try working on finishing the cowl or will maybe start the landing gear. Not sure if I don't want to maiden it without landing gear first and then add it. Hmmm will see, mean time I am going to think it over :).
 

mayan

Legendary member
Last time I posted about my progress I was stuck working on the front cowl section of the plane, when things weren't working out. This is what I have done so far on the cowl and some addition to the front section to make it look more like the real thing.

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Since I felt stuck and a little discouraged I decided to move on to other parts of the build maybe gain some wins and improve my overall confidence, thus I started working on the elevator and rudder. Which both connect to one another with a slot/tab setup and then both slide into slots on the fuselage. This makes them stay in place pretty good also without hot glue, hot glue added for re-enforcements just in case the worse thing happens.

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After adding the elevator and rudder and making sure that they are leveled. I started placing and gluing in the bottom formers for the cover pieces. Pretty easy to do just have to make sure you glue them down in a certain order otherwise you will have issues making sure things are straight. The way to do it is start from the nose section and work your way to the tail section.

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Now it was time to design the cover for the bottom section of the plane. I was sure I'd have less of a problem designing these over the cowl and I was right. There was still back and forth between AI and paper/foam but much less than expected.
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After a few times of going back and forth I finally felt like I was in the right place and wrote down my almost last comments about what changes needed to be done and went to fix and print the last version for now.

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I had fixed the pieces and re-printed the plans before I went to work that way I could take everything with me to work and if the shift would be quite could keep working on it there. Luckily the shift was prefect not a lot of people called so I managed to achieve this, which I am pretty happy with.

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That's all for now! Tomorrow I'll try working on finishing the cowl or will maybe start the landing gear. Not sure if I don't want to maiden it without landing gear first and then add it. Hmmm will see, mean time I am going to think it over :).
BTW the two slots on the bottom cover are not a mistake they are are there for my removable landing gear setup, just a heads up :)
 

basslord1124

Master member
Catching up on this thread...wow looks amazing @mayan ! It's actually neat to watch it unfold from beginning to its current state. I enjoyed reading about the history of the plane too...I had heard of them, but didn't know anything about them. Keep up the good work man! :D
 

buzzbomb

I know nothing!
Last time I posted about my progress I was stuck working on the front cowl section of the plane, when things weren't working out. This is what I have done so far on the cowl and some addition to the front section to make it look more like the real thing.

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Since I felt stuck and a little discouraged I decided to move on to other parts of the build maybe gain some wins and improve my overall confidence, thus I started working on the elevator and rudder. Which both connect to one another with a slot/tab setup and then both slide into slots on the fuselage. This makes them stay in place pretty good also without hot glue, hot glue added for re-enforcements just in case the worse thing happens.

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After adding the elevator and rudder and making sure that they are leveled. I started placing and gluing in the bottom formers for the cover pieces. Pretty easy to do just have to make sure you glue them down in a certain order otherwise you will have issues making sure things are straight. The way to do it is start from the nose section and work your way to the tail section.

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Now it was time to design the cover for the bottom section of the plane. I was sure I'd have less of a problem designing these over the cowl and I was right. There was still back and forth between AI and paper/foam but much less than expected.
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After a few times of going back and forth I finally felt like I was in the right place and wrote down my almost last comments about what changes needed to be done and went to fix and print the last version for now.

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I had fixed the pieces and re-printed the plans before I went to work that way I could take everything with me to work and if the shift would be quite could keep working on it there. Luckily the shift was prefect not a lot of people called so I managed to achieve this, which I am pretty happy with.

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That's all for now! Tomorrow I'll try working on finishing the cowl or will maybe start the landing gear. Not sure if I don't want to maiden it without landing gear first and then add it. Hmmm will see, mean time I am going to think it over :).
Wow, it is coming together nicely! Are those cooling vents in the nose? That's a good idea. Perhaps you've mentioned it earlier and I missed it, but what are the rivets under the wing?

Personally, I'd maiden with the landing gear, because I hate a hand launch-maiden. I'd rather find a problem one foot off the ground at slow speed, than six feet off the ground at high speed. I don't know if ground take offs are actually easier or not. It does improve my confidence level, though.

It's looking good, @mayan! It's starting to look like a real, flyable plane! Keep it up! :)
 

Jimun

Elite member
Looking great Mayan. I agree with the others, you have come along way. It is going to be something to watch as you continue in this hobby. Good job friend. I was just wondering what your little plane storage area (closet) was looking or have you taken over the house:LOL:.
 

Vimana89

Legendary member
I left some stuff unattended, just can’t wait to see if even has a chance of flying. If it flys I’ll work out all the rest of the plane design :).
That's the way to do it(y). Your plane is already a work of art. I just made a new yank and bank basic delta that's very crude and sloppy in comparison, but it's actually pretty cool and flies very nice, for the little time and effort it took to design and build.I really hope yours flies as good as it looks right on first maiden, or at least lets you work out any slop and dial it in without any major issues, so by the second or third launch it will be great.Can't wait to see some video of this one flying and all the little improvements you make to the design.
 

mayan

Legendary member
That's the way to do it(y). Your plane is already a work of art. I just made a new yank and bank basic delta that's very crude and sloppy in comparison, but it's actually pretty cool and flies very nice, for the little time and effort it took to design and build.I really hope yours flies as good as it looks right on first maiden, or at least lets you work out any slop and dial it in without any major issues, so by the second or third launch it will be great.Can't wait to see some video of this one flying and all the little improvements you make to the design.
Thanks man! I too hope it flies good off the bat.

Every one said that they fear that it will be tail heavy but it balances off with a 3S 1000mah battery so tail heavy is not an issue plus I got so much room I can put in a brick battery.
 

buzzbomb

I know nothing!
Thanks man! I too hope it flies good off the bat.

Every one said that they fear that it will be tail heavy but it balances off with a 3S 1000mah battery so tail heavy is not an issue plus I got so much room I can put in a brick battery.
I wasn't thinking tail heavy. It's just a VERY short rear fuselage. That means squirly. I learned that with my MSBP design. I had to elongate it. That's the reason the SE-5 is such a handful. You've got it balanced, and I believe it will fly. It's going to be a handful, though! :)