Help me choose my son's next airplane!

Hi all,

I've been looking hard at the FT website, but I'm looking to get ideas from folks here as well.

My 8-year-old has been flying a foam C-17 model that we bought from Flite Test at Oshkosh a couple years ago, and I just recently had the maiden flight of a 3D printed Eclipson Model A that we built together. He got really excited as a result of that, and now he wants a 3D printed airplane.

He's not ready for the Model A. I looked for a more forgiving (lighter, slower) 3D printed plane for him and settled on the 3D Aeroventures Micro SportCam as it is one of the lightest fully 3D printed ones out there, and I think the top-mounted pusher configuration should help avoid some possible types of damage on landing.

However, he needs to work on flying skills so he doesn't immediately crash it, even though we've already discussed that and he watched me damage the Model A on its second flight. I'd like to give him the best chance at success! Unfortunately, the foam model he's flying is teaching him the wrong things. It's controlled solely by differential thrust, and it's not only too easy to fly, it teaches some of the wrong skills. For example, it turns like a car (you hold the stick to the right) instead of like an airplane where you move the stick to roll into a turn and reverse it to roll out. It's also very slow to have a noticeable response, so he's learning to hold the stick ALL THE WAY to the side when turning. Not good.

So, I would like him to be able to learn on an easy to fly airplane with actual control surfaces. I wouldn't mind starting with 3 channel but it must at least be upgradeable to 4 channel. It needs to be slow, stable, and easy to fly.

I've narrowed it down, I think, to the FT Mighty Mini Tiny Tutor and the FT Mighty Mini Explorer, and I think my preference of those two is the Explorer due to its easy build, easy flying, and slow flying. It's also in the same wing-mounted pusher configuration as the Micro SportCam so he'll learn the pitch effects that throttle changes can have on a configuration like that.

I'm also interested in how the FT Tenet with the 3D printed fuselage and foam wing kit would compare to the above, but it's hard to tell how that compares with the above in terms of difficulty of building/flying. Does it fly faster than the Mini Explorer?

Does the Mini Explorer support adding ailerons to the standard trainer wing, or does the 4-channel configuration require the (presumably more difficult to fly) sport wing? Can ailerons be added to the Tiny Tutor? Does the wing kit for the Tenet have ailerons?

Finally - My assumption is that a smaller airplane is lighter and slower, but it's also going to get tossed around by air currents a bit more. Would it be easier to fly the FT Mighty Mini Explorer, or the larger FT Explorer MKR2?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts, information, suggestions, tips, etc!
 

Houndpup Rc

Legendary member
However, he needs to work on flying skills so he doesn't immediately crash it, even though we've already discussed that and he watched me damage the Model A on its second flight. I'd like to give him the best chance at success! Unfortunately, the foam model he's flying is teaching him the wrong things. It's controlled solely by differential thrust, and it's not only too easy to fly, it teaches some of the wrong skills. For example, it turns like a car (you hold the stick to the right) instead of like an airplane where you move the stick to roll into a turn and reverse it to roll out. It's also very slow to have a noticeable response, so he's learning to hold the stick ALL THE WAY to the side when turning. Not good.
Ooooh yeah...Not good!😂
 

Mr NCT

VP of SPAM killing
Moderator
+1 on the full sized scout or the full size explorer. The explorer is nice because it's easy to repair, you can move from a three channel to four channel easily and with the pusher prop you won't be replacing the prop.
 

Merv

Moderator
Moderator
...My assumption is that a smaller airplane is lighter and slower, but it's also going to get tossed around by air currents a bit more...
As others have mentioned, bigger planes are easier to fly. Its got to be dead calm to fly a smaller plane.

I would suggest the Tiny Trainer, it's easy to build, easy to repair & easy to fly. It will handel the wind far better than the smaller planes you are looking at. Just set the CG about 1/4 inch forward of the suggested mark.
 

Houndpup Rc

Legendary member
As others have mentioned, bigger planes are easier to fly. Its got to be dead calm to fly a smaller plane.

I would suggest the Tiny Trainer, it's easy to build, easy to repair & easy to fly. Just set the CG about 1/4 inch forward of the suggested mark.
Though if you want to fly in even light wind I would go 4ch and swappables size.
 

Mr Man

Mr SPEED!
Yup, I tried mini’s when I first started. And the bigger ones are WAY easier to fly. I too, recommend the Simple scout or Explorer.
 

Foamforce

Elite member
I’m going to put in a word for the Mini Explorer. It flies like a bigger plane. What really impressed me was how tough it was. Mine has taken multiple rough “landings” with no damage yet.

As for flying in the wind, it’s closer to a full sized plane than some of the mini-er minis. It handles itself surprisingly well.

The biggest thing you can do to make it fly well is to fly with a smaller 2s battery. With 2s it is very tame. With 3s it can become too wild for a beginner to handle.

The other thing about mine was that it was initially difficult to get it to balance at the prescribed COG. I started with that, by adding some weight to the nose, but it after nose heavy. So I removed the weight, which moved the COG about 1/4” back from the COG mark and it flew perfectly.

Overall, I highly recommend the Tiny Explorer as a starter plane. It flies easily, the frame is tough, and the prop is protected.
 
I’m going to put in a word for the Mini Explorer. It flies like a bigger plane. What really impressed me was how tough it was. Mine has taken multiple rough “landings” with no damage yet.

As for flying in the wind, it’s closer to a full sized plane than some of the mini-er minis. It handles itself surprisingly well.

The biggest thing you can do to make it fly well is to fly with a smaller 2s battery. With 2s it is very tame. With 3s it can become too wild for a beginner to handle.

The other thing about mine was that it was initially difficult to get it to balance at the prescribed COG. I started with that, by adding some weight to the nose, but it after nose heavy. So I removed the weight, which moved the COG about 1/4” back from the COG mark and it flew perfectly.

Overall, I highly recommend the Tiny Explorer as a starter plane. It flies easily, the frame is tough, and the prop is protected.
I should have mentioned, I am targeting 2S for him. I've got a 3S in the Eclipson and my impression so far is that it's overpowered.
 
Can anyone tell me how the 3D printed Tenet with a wing kit compares with the Mini Explorer in terms of the difficulty of building and flying, and the speed at which they fly?
 

JDSnavely

Active member
I’m going to put in a word for the Mini Explorer. It flies like a bigger plane. What really impressed me was how tough it was. Mine has taken multiple rough “landings” with no damage yet.

As for flying in the wind, it’s closer to a full sized plane than some of the mini-er minis. It handles itself surprisingly well.

The biggest thing you can do to make it fly well is to fly with a smaller 2s battery. With 2s it is very tame. With 3s it can become too wild for a beginner to handle.

The other thing about mine was that it was initially difficult to get it to balance at the prescribed COG. I started with that, by adding some weight to the nose, but it after nose heavy. So I removed the weight, which moved the COG about 1/4” back from the COG mark and it flew perfectly.

Overall, I highly recommend the Tiny Explorer as a starter plane. It flies easily, the frame is tough, and the prop is protected.
My family is a huge fan of the Tiny Trainer. But having flown the Mini Explorer 3 channel it is amazing once you get it set up. Very hard to damage. I can't believe how good it flies with just that little A motor. 2S or 3S 850 mah. I could even do an outside loop with the 3S! But add a little support to the wing or fiber tape or one might fold the wings (ask me how I know!)
 

Piotrsko

Legendary member
Wait, wait..... fold the wings which way? Don't take much for folding inverted because they aren't designed structurally to support much inverted or outside loops.
 

SEEBO

Active member
To be honest, as an advancing novice myself, I'm smitten by the Tutor. Takes a beating and shrugs off even the sloppiest landings. I've since built a twin engine Legacy and a Twin Otter but when I have an hour to kill I always grab the Tutor. When I've finally beat the standard Tutor wings to death I have Turbo Tutor wings ready to be assembled and keep it flying. Just such an incredible plane. My son and I just got home from the airfield 10 minutes ago. He flew his EZ F22 and I brought the Tutor.
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