buzzbomb

I know nothing!
The ambient temperature does not effect the capacity significantly over our normal experience range but the higher ambient temperatures and lack of adequate cooling can really damage a battery in quick time. I have seen NEW batteries last as little as 30 minutes of total airtime life before they were too damaged to be used in a plane safely.
Please bear with me. I'm pulling the pertinent stuff out of your word wall. Head butt me again if you feel the need. (It's OK. That helmet has hit me in the head so many times, I don't' even feel it anymore) If it's hot, the batts need lots of cooling, otherwise they will fail. You store your batteries in a fridge, to keep them healthy.

Don't fly until the ESC cuts out. Aaand. Thirty-five percent warning on the bat. Which means, I won't fly until anything cuts out. Got it.
 

d8veh

Elite member
Temperature is a big factor for the battery performance, but it's difficult to relate performance to ambient temperature because the battery heats up when you use it. How much it heats up depends on how hard you drive it. High temperature can be good for performance in flight, but bad for the longevity of the battery.

What voltage you set your voltage to is more a question of your mindset. When going abroad, some people like to arrive at the airport with plenty of time to spare, so that they can be relaxed an unstressed, others like the adrenaline rush of arriving just in time. Both systems work, but one is slightly more risky. There's no exact rule for when you should arrive, except that you mustn't be late.
 

mayan

Legendary member
I don’t cool my batteries in the fridge, or cool them in any other way. I do though make sure to fly by my gut feeling and bring the plane down when I feel it’s about time 5-7 mins without a timer. Battery discharge in flight also depends on how much you keep flying at max throttle, so rule of thumb when you don’t need max throttle don’t use it. I can’t control the temp in which I fly but can say that Israel especially in the summer is a hot country reaching anywhere from 32 degrees celcius to 40 degrees celcius with that being said I try to feel the battery like I feel the plane. When the plane seems to be losing power it means the battery is low on voltage and should be replaced. I bought the battery buzzer alarm like Bob said just to be able to get a extra safety net to tell me it’s now or say bye to your battery.
 

Hai-Lee

Old and Bold RC PILOT
Please bear with me. I'm pulling the pertinent stuff out of your word wall. Head butt me again if you feel the need. (It's OK. That helmet has hit me in the head so many times, I don't' even feel it anymore) If it's hot, the batts need lots of cooling, otherwise they will fail. You store your batteries in a fridge, to keep them healthy.

Don't fly until the ESC cuts out. Aaand. Thirty-five percent warning on the bat. Which means, I won't fly until anything cuts out. Got it.
It seems @mayan and I share a similar climate at times. My minimum ambient is around 10 degrees Celcius. There is a need to keep batteries from freezing or getting to cold in colder climates but here the battle is against the heat damage to LiPo batteries.

After analyzing cell failures in a range of battery packs it showed a trend to the inner cells failing first or prematurely. A bit of temperature probe work showed that the temperature of the inner cells was highest in use and in charging Since i have undertaken my process for battery management the failure pattern or history has shown a marked drop in puffing batteries and a longer general life. This is coupled with a more even spread of cell failures such that the inner cell failure rate had dropped from around 90% to about 40%.

My average temperature profile on an average flying day is from around 10 Degrees Celsius at the start of the flight to around 45 Degrees on landing. The reason for the investigation into battery operating temperature was that I lost almost all of my flight batteries on a single flying day during a 50 degree Celsius heatwave and half of them were not even used.

Be gentle on your batteries and they will last years but treat them poorly and they could last only minutes.

We all have different climates and different flying aircraft and styles. I am just telling others what works for me in my climate from my own experience and measurements. I am sure others will have their own tricks and methods. I am not telling others that they are wrong but rather that we are different. Mind you i do have a couple of converts at my local club especially among those who run expensive 6S batteries in their EDFs.

@buzzbomb I try my best to keep the batteries, (each and every cell), at all times less than 50 degrees Celcius. I normally get discharge amounts of between 80 and 90% based upon what the charger puts into the batteries after flight and cooling. Generally you are correct in what you have reasoned out from the "WALL". I tend to over explain sometimes and under explain at others.

My idea behind the refrigeration came directly from cell temperature measurements. In the 'fridge the cell temps are eventually identical. On the way to the field the outer cells rise in temperature quicker than the internal cells. In flight the inner cells heat more rapidly but from a lower initial temperature and the cell temp still ends up higher than the outer cells but by a far lesser amount than before.

Temperature effects are known on cell performance but the temperature of the cells is anything but stable in flight and charging. That is why I still say that each individual should do some work and determine for themselves what works for them!

Most newbies need only worry about over-discharging their batteries until they are experienced enough to put the myriad of crashes behind them. At that stage they will suddenly find that battery replacement can become a significant expense and then they should find out what reduces their expenditure to a reasonable level.

Just (My thousand words on), what works for me)

have fun!
 

mayan

Legendary member
Anyone got an recommendations about how to fix faulty servos? I got 2 servos with ripped wires, believe that their gears still work properly though.
 

rockyboy

Skill Collector
Mentor
Anyone got an recommendations about how to fix faulty servos? I got 2 servos with ripped wires, believe that their gears still work properly though.

Carefully :p

But seriously, if you have a working servo of the same manufacturer you can open up and see where the wires are connected, you might be able to solder the old wires back in place. It would be good to check the old wires and make sure they still have good conductivity before putting them back in though - any crash with enough power to rip the wires off the board could have also torn strands in the length of the wire and they might break connectivity when flexed.

But hey - it's already broken so there there is very little to lose by trying :D
 

mayan

Legendary member
The wires are ripped in the middle not off the board tried soldering those and it didn’t seem to work all that well. Went flying today and the rudder servo which I tried soldering bailed on me. Luckily I could fly without a rudder a little harder flying without a rudder and one aileron :(.
 

Hai-Lee

Old and Bold RC PILOT
I have a bin of damaged servos that i keep for parts, (from various manufacturers).

A long while ago now I had a plane that required real long servo extensions and they would unplug at the worst possible times:rolleyes:.

I actually dislike and distrust cheap connectors especially when buried in an inaccessible location. So I bought the longest servo extension leads I could find and discovered that they were actually too long so I removed the servos, measured and cut the servo extension leads, and fitted the long extension lead in place of the original servo lead. Put the servo together and refitted them to the plane.

NEVER had the disconnect experience again!

If you are looking for replacement servo wires buy a bag of servo extension leads. (The connector not used , (the female) can be joined in parallel to the female on yet another extension lead and then you have made your own "Y" harness!

Just me being a tight A*$3

Have fun!
 

rockyboy

Skill Collector
Mentor
The wires are ripped in the middle not off the board tried soldering those and it didn’t seem to work all that well. Went flying today and the rudder servo which I tried soldering bailed on me. Luckily I could fly without a rudder a little harder flying without a rudder and one aileron :(.

If the wire ripped apart in the middle, you can be sure the copper strands inside have ripped and torn in more places than just the one final spot where the insulation gave up stretching and tore. As Hai-Lee recommended, solder on new servo extensions, or just cut the wire off a servo that had the gears die and use that wire with the servo that has good gears.

And if you don't have a servo with stripped out gears, just keep flying. You'll make one eventually - we all do :p
 

PoorManRC

Master member
Lots of info going on here! So from what I've read, my Flying Season is NOW!
To put it in "International terms", our Summers frequently get OVER 50-55 degrees C!!! :eek: So, no Summer flying....
 

Hai-Lee

Old and Bold RC PILOT
Lots of info going on here! So from what I've read, my Flying Season is NOW!
To put it in "International terms", our Summers frequently get OVER 50-55 degrees C!!! :eek: So, no Summer flying....
Nah! 55 degrees is quit doable as long as you manage your battery temps and keep the flights a little shorter. Plenty of ventilation is a good thing and can actually reduce keep the batt temps quite cool even in 55 degree heat.

The temps here can and do reach such heights but sadly our humidity is through the roof!

I second the request to get building! worry about the future when you get there!

In RC aircraft as in the rest of mans endeavours, "Where there is a will, there is a way"

Have fun!!
 

PoorManRC

Master member
Nah! 55 degrees is quit doable as long as you manage your battery temps and keep the flights a little shorter. Plenty of ventilation is a good thing and can actually reduce keep the batt temps quite cool even in 55 degree heat.

The temps here can and do reach such heights but sadly our humidity is through the roof!
I second the request to get building! worry about the future when you get there!

In RC aircraft as in the rest of mans endeavours, "Where there is a will, there is a way"

Have fun!!

The Humidity would kill me!! At least incapacitate me....
THERE IS A WILL!! I'm trying hard to get the way.

SOMETHING should be Crashing soon!! :p
 

PoorManRC

Master member
When you actually post the aftermath of your first crash I will know that your journey truly has begun!
Just waiting for the day!

Have fun!

I promise it will be ASAP... I have about a week to find RENT!!
Tomorrow's Cindi's Chemotherapy... I'll likely be working on it tomorrow night.
I understand that you all have to ride my arse, I AM really trying.
 

Hai-Lee

Old and Bold RC PILOT
I promise it will be ASAP... I have about a week to find RENT!!
Tomorrow's Cindi's Chemotherapy... I'll likely be working on it tomorrow night.
I understand that you all have to ride my arse, I AM really trying.
Just a gentle prod. If I ever start riding you I expect you to tell me where to get off, (To put it mildly).

it is only my way of trying to give you the challenge to get airborne! Once you start flying you will wonder why you didn't start ages ago!

Work at your own pace always!

have fun!
 

PoorManRC

Master member
Just a gentle prod. If I ever start riding you I expect you to tell me where to get off, (To put it mildly).

it is only my way of trying to give you the challenge to get airborne! Once you start flying you will wonder why you didn't start ages ago!

Work at your own pace always!

have fun!

My friend, if I worked at MY pace, I would have had FOUR Planes up by now!!!!
This is frustrating!
 

mayan

Legendary member
The temps here can and do reach such heights but sadly our humidity is through the roof!
Also here.

@PoorManRC we all playin with you. Build at whatever speed you can, we all just want to see you flying.

@Hai-Lee and @rockyboy thank for the tips will use them to try and fix the faulty servos. I remembered I should have 9g servos somewhere. Found them and connected them on the TT sports wing :).

Also went flying yesterday and today hope to find time to edit the videos today before my night shift, so I can post them :).
 

mayan

Legendary member
Quick question in the mean time. Could it be that I damaged my alarm buzzer on one of my crashes?