Interest in a build-off?

Would you be willing to participate in a sport scale build-off?


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willsonman

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With building season in full swing Many folks start feeling either de-motivated or never got the motivation to start on something. To foster more building (and challenge you to improve your building skills) I would like to get your input on a Build-Off. Please make suggestions for this after reading what I have already outlined below. I've taken cues from other build-offs on the web and have outlined the build-off as follows:

Summary:

Participants will build a “Sport Scale” electric motor driven, radio-controlled airplane model and demonstrate that it is capable of controlled flight. At the end of the competition, a panel will be selected to select winners from completed and flight-proven models.

Build-Off objectives are to:

o Foster interest in building sport scale electric-powered models
o Promote building as one of the aspects of the FT community
o Practice our craft, learn from others and do the best we can
o Have some fun

Build-Off Rules:

1. Models entered (“entries”) must resemble a full-sized aircraft design that was either built or proposed to be built (ie. designs that were produced as engineering, feasibility or other conceptual studies but which were not ultimately constructed). In keeping with the Sport Scale nature of the Build-Off, scale outlines may be changed within reason to improve flight characteristics or for ease of construction. Color schemes for entries need not depict an actual full-sized aircraft.

2. Entries must be powered by at least one electric motor. The propulsion system of the entry need not resemble the propulsion system of the full-sized aircraft.

3. Building and covering materials may be of any type (balsa, composite, foam etc.) the participant chooses.

4. To be eligible for consideration as a winner, entries must demonstrate that they are capable of controlled and powered flight before the Build-Off closing date. Photos or videos of the entry in flight will be considered proof of flightworthiness.

5. Already started builds may be entered providing they have not been covered or painted by the start of the Build-Off.

6. Entries will be grouped into one of three categories, each of which will be considered for a separate winner. Categories are as follows:

a. Scratch Built – An original model designed and built by the designer “from scratch”. Existing design work may be entered as long as the design has not previously been built, published or sold. Manufactured parts (eg. plastic cowls or canopies, etc.) are permitted. "Frankenplanes" are not permitted.

b. Plan Built – A model built from plans by a builder other than the designer, or by the designer himself if the design has previously been built, published or sold. Builders in this category must supply the parts and materials required to build the model.

c. Kit Built – A model built from a commercially available kit or short kit containing plans and at least some of the parts required to build the model. ARFs, RTFs, or "bashes" (enhancement modification) of them and the like are not permitted.

7. Participants may submit more than one entry.

8. The Build-Off moderator may participate, but is ineligible for consideration as a winner.

Coordinating Instructions:

- Registration for the Build-Off will be by posting participant members’ FT user name, the proposed category for the entry (Scratch, Plan or Kit Built), requests to be considered for the Novice Class, the model to be entered, and a link to a build thread on this thread.
- Build threads should be entitled using the following format "Scale Build-Off – Guillows 27" span Spitfire "
- Thread titles can be modified (for existing threads) by clicking “Edit Post” on the first post of their thread. Once there click on “Go Advanced” and you can edit your thread title from there. Once the title is edited click on “Save Changes.”

- Registration for entries will open and the Build-Off will start on Jan??? 2015.
- Registration will close on April 1st, 2015.
- Build-Off will close on June 1, 2015.
 
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bitogre

Member
I am interested if I am part of a team but I do not know any other Flite Test fans in my area. I would love to join a team with others.

I also question the build-off close date. Why did you choose June 1? Does this co-inside with any specific event? Personally, I would recommend it end on July 12, 2015 so that teams can meet and do the final build and testing at Flite Fest 2015.
 

bitogre

Member
It's not team orientated but I don't see why it can't be.

It is not? I got the impression it was because of the following statement:
- Registration for the Build-Off will be by posting participant members’ FT user name...

The placement of the apostrophe after the "s" in "members'" usually indicates plural possessive. Also, why include both "participant" and "member" in the statement if it were not team orientated? If that was not intended to be team oriented, I would have expected it to have been "participant's FT user name".

But, I could be wrong. I have dyslexia and failed my college's Writing Proficiency Exam over 15 times before I finally passed and was allowed to graduate.
 

willsonman

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I suppose it could be team oriented. There is more of a challenge for an individual to round out all their skills by doing this individually. Some are better at covering than others... some have a forte in design. If you mix these you end up with a group that only has strengths and the opportunity to grow is hindered. For this reason I would rather not have group builds. It does not align with the intent.

June 1 was chosen as a means to push people to get it done for flying season. I considered ending at the close of FTFF but I did not want to exclude people who could not attend. It would be great to see these build attend FTFF but to incorporate it into an already complex event can exclude some and clutter up an event that I have no say-so about. I will not speak for the FT guys that its ok to do something at their event... its just rude.
 

Foam Addict

Squirrel member
Yes I would given that it happens in the summer. I found myself super strapped for time over my winter break. :/ TBS, I'd love to do a sport scale O-1 or even an O-2, it might just take a while...:(
 

willsonman

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s' indicates a list here. I would expect multiple entrants but not necessarily as a group.
 

Craftydan

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Good grief guys! Have we alredy gone grammer Nazi on it? Parsing out the rules down to the apostrophy when we haven't even started yet?!? We should be talking about the cool plane we hope to build!

Wilsonman, by virtue of being organizer and giving up a chance to win (which was his choice, and a wise one at that), has the sole responsibility of picking fair rules and restrictions. The only restriction that's been levied in past from the forum, was from Chad saying "no material prizes" -- tends to bring the worst out in people, not the best. IMO, limited in power as it is, in everything else Wilsonman has the final say.

The rest of us have both the option of making suggestions to sway the organizer and if we don't like the final rules, any one of us can choose not to play.

The rules may not be perfect, but now is the time to sway the rulemaker . . . not parse the rules to insist your interpertation is fair. Make suggestions, point out discrepencies and focus more on what you can build than what you can't.

Even as they stand, it sounds like a fun contest -- hadn't had anything on my build list that was remotely scale and scratch, but now I've got to reconsider.

BTW, Wilsonman, about the "kitbashing" restriction . . . what if significant portions of the build were scratchbuilt, but a few elements, like say a wing, were pre-assembled? Where does lazy scratch building end and kit-bash begin, oh wise and great build moderator?
 

bitogre

Member
June 1 was chosen as a means to push people to get it done for flying season. I considered ending at the close of FTFF but I did not want to exclude people who could not attend. It would be great to see these build attend FTFF but to incorporate it into an already complex event can exclude some and clutter up an event that I have no say-so about. I will not speak for the FT guys that its ok to do something at their event... its just rude.

I understand you not wanting to be rude but I am willing to bet they would not have a problem with it. FTFF 2014 had a huge build tent and people were doing things like this there. In several cases, it was super-sizing FT planes and they were very happy to see that. It is my understanding from what I have heard in the PodCasts, they are planning on increasing the size of the build tent to allow even more building at Flite Fest 2015.

So, while the polite thing to do is ask, I would not hesitate in asking. They might even surprise you.

As for not excluding those who do not attend Flite Fest, just because the close date is that of the end of FTFF 2015 does not mean you have to do the judging at FTFF 2015. You can use the end of FTFF 2015 as the close date but continue to use your current plan for judging the winner. Just a suggestion.
 

bitogre

Member
Good grief guys! Have we alredy gone grammer Nazi on it? Parsing out the rules down to the apostrophy when we haven't even started yet?!?

:black_eyed: Sorry, I was just trying to explain how I got the wrong idea. I thought my statement "But, I could be wrong" made that clear.

We should be talking about the cool plane we hope to build!

Agreed.

Wilsonman, by virtue of being organizer and giving up a chance to win (which was his choice, and a wise one at that), has the sole responsibility of picking fair rules and restrictions. The only restriction that's been levied in past from the forum, was from Chad saying "no material prizes" -- tends to bring the worst out in people, not the best. IMO, limited in power as it is, in everything else Wilsonman has the final say.

The rest of us have both the option of making suggestions to sway the organizer and if we don't like the final rules, any one of us can choose not to play.

Agreed.

The rules may not be perfect, but now is the time to sway the rulemaker . . . not parse the rules to insist your interpertation is fair. Make suggestions, point out discrepencies and focus more on what you can build than what you can't.

That was not my intent. My response where I indicated I thought it was a team event was a reply to CrashRecovery before Wilsonman had chimed in on his intent (admittedly by only 3 minutes). Now that Wilsonman has chimed in, I am accepting that his intent is to be an individual challenge and I have move on to discussing and trying to "sway the rulemaker" on the end date.:cool:
 
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bitogre

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1. Models entered (“entries”) must resemble a full-sized aircraft design that was either built or proposed to be built (ie. designs that were produced as engineering, feasibility or other conceptual studies but which were not ultimately constructed). In keeping with the Sport Scale nature of the Build-Off, scale outlines may be changed within reason to improve flight characteristics or for ease of construction. Color schemes for entries need not depict an actual full-sized aircraft.

What about fictional aircraft? I have thought about trying my hand at scratch building and was thinking of trying to build this:
FanJet.jpg

As far as I know, this is a completely fictional airplane from RoboTech. Would building this be something that would fit into the competition?
 

willsonman

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Kit bashing, as stated, includes anything of the like. Getting a dummy engine or a canopy is one thing. If you make it yourself you get more points in my book. If you get a pre-fabbed wing you are bound to lose. There is plenty of time planned here to make an airframe.

Conceptual airplanes are NOT scale. Prototypes are another thing. I have extensive knowledge of WWII era aircraft that were modeled and not built. If you chose an obscure aircraft, be prepared to show that some part of the airplane was built. A wind tunnel model will count. So, for example, the Blohm and Voss P.170 would count as the fuselage was mocked up. The airplane from Raiders of the lost ark is out. Purely fictional, but based on a german design.
 

mrstamp80

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I'm in, got something been wanting to try and build. I haven't been able to find plans for it anywhere, will have to go by pictures on the web as a reference.

If i had the room i would try to build a full size version of it. Yes it is a plane, no it is not a ultralight.

Oh and what does the Winner get???
 

SP0NZ

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I'm in, got something been wanting to try and build. I haven't been able to find plans for it anywhere, will have to go by pictures on the web as a reference. If i had the room i would try to build a full size version of it. Yes it is a plane, no it is not a ultralight.

Is it a Cri Cri?