Help! Lipo Battery Safety

Harry Joelsson

New member
I'm in a class where we are assembling some if the EZ STEM airplane swith the EZ V2 power packs. I've read alot about lipo safety and am a little concerned that all of us having the batteries charged can be a fire risk. How can we prevent something bad from happening?
 

Mr Man

Mr SPEED!
I'm in a class where we are assembling some if the EZ STEM airplane swith the EZ V2 power packs. I've read alot about lipo safety and am a little concerned that all of us having the batteries charged can be a fire risk. How can we prevent something bad from happening?
Harry, I’ve been into rc for 7 years, and I’ve never had a fire, but, I can recommend lipo battery bags for charging, since your batteries are so small, you’ll only need 1 or 2. Another option would be an ammo box, which can hold a lot more and are still very safe.
 

Piotrsko

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Technology has changed over the 15-20 years I have been doing electrics seriously. They used to be much more prone to explosive disassembly even using conservative charge methods, almost have to seriously abuse them currently. Inspect for any or all physical damage before charge, place somewhere they won't affect anything else. My self I wouldn't put more than one in a box to charge, and check for puffing or extra warmth after the charge indicator says It's done. If it's hot, puffy, suspect it to be damaged. Ammo boxes are cheap, 1/2 concrete end blocks ditto. Haven't had a fire with lipo4, lots of nicad fires, one dry cell fire airborne.

Multi cells are prone to inbalance also, the weak cell is the fire starter. I would save the damaged ones for a fire demonstration out doors if management would allow it.
 

Merv

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... How can we prevent something bad from happening?
I have had a few lipo fires, nothing bad, just the battery, but without precautions, it could have been bad.

Just keep the battery away from anything else that can catch fire. I use an ammo box lined with drywall for my larger batteries. For my smaller batteries, like yours, I use a metal cookie tin lined with drywall. Any type of metal box lined with drywall will work. On mine, I make individual drywall cells for each battery. Hopefully if one catches fire, I can save the rest.

Just make sure the container can vent. If there is a fire you don't want any pressure to build inside the container.
 

Houndpup Rc

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I'm in a class where we are assembling some if the EZ STEM airplane swith the EZ V2 power packs. I've read alot about lipo safety and am a little concerned that all of us having the batteries charged can be a fire risk. How can we prevent something bad from happening?
I use a fire safe and am around when its charging, so if a fire happens I just knock the lid shut and let it do its thing.
 

Piotrsko

Legendary member
You do realize all the lipo fires on delivery bicycles in New York city were a different less forgiving but more power dense chemistry, abused to death, over discharged, then very fast charged on a not appropriate charger for the pack.

Not a noted way to have long battery life. A cool battery is a happy battery
 

Houndpup Rc

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You do realize all the lipo fires on delivery bicycles in New York city were a different less forgiving but more power dense chemistry, abused to death, over discharged, then very fast charged on a not appropriate charger for the pack.

Not a noted way to have long battery life.
Wonder why they would have lipos on bikes? (Unless they wanted high discharge for very powerful bikes, but for long range lions would be better.) I think Lions would be a lot safer.
 

Piotrsko

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Lipo is lithium polymer, lion is lithium ion. Much different chemistries and densities like I said above. Lipo4 is different still and considered the safest. Pretty sure I have some pushing 20 years old and just a wee bit puffy (characteristics, not a design failure) puffy is caused by the lithium oxides not returning back to pure lithium. Need to mention I have a car pack thats 16 million mah?
 

Houndpup Rc

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Lipo is lithium polymer, lion is lithium ion. Much different chemistries and densities like I said above. Lipo4 is different still and considered the safest. Pretty sure I have some pushing 20 years old and just a wee bit puffy (characteristics, not a design failure) puffy is caused by the lithium oxides not returning back to pure lithium. Need to mention I have a car pack thats 16 million mah?
Wow! what brand battery is that?
 

Mr Man

Mr SPEED!
Lipo is lithium polymer, lion is lithium ion. Much different chemistries and densities like I said above. Lipo4 is different still and considered the safest. Pretty sure I have some pushing 20 years old and just a wee bit puffy (characteristics, not a design failure) puffy is caused by the lithium oxides not returning back to pure lithium. Need to mention I have a car pack thats 16 million mah?
Wow! what brand battery is that?
Tesla?

Gee Wiz?
 

Piotrsko

Legendary member
Volt battery. Technically if I added a steering servo it would be the largest R. C. car in Reno... . Lithium of any chemistry absolutely hates being below 3.0 ish volts because you cant un -oxide the lithium and start forming dendrites when you recharge. Dendrites short out the the layers you have in a lithium battery. What happens when you short a battery layer? Give you a guess, rhymes with exothermic

Btw, I tend to say lipo when I mean lithium batteries of any sort.
 

Houndpup Rc

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Volt battery. Technically if I added a steering servo it would be the largest R. C. car in Reno... . Lithium of any chemistry absolutely hates being below 3.0 ish volts because you cant un -oxide the lithium and start forming dendrites when you recharge. Dendrites short out the the layers you have in a lithium battery. What happens when you short a battery layer? Give you a guess, rhymes with exothermic

Btw, I tend to say lipo when I mean lithium batteries of any sort.
It seems like the better brands tend to be more forgiving though.
 

Houndpup Rc

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I have a a ovonic battery that is actually really high quality compared with venom batteries. I think you might have had a factory error battery. Just my opinion though……
Could be, because my other one drained to zero, almost and its doing okay. ( I didn't drain it down that low from flying.....It got caught up in a tree.)
 

Piotrsko

Legendary member
Other than price, packaging, and just maybe mah per gram, how do you estimate quality of a battery?

There's a dozen other less accurate ways, but you need a battery in your hands to test or disassemble
 

Houndpup Rc

Legendary member
Other than price, packaging, and just maybe mah per gram, how do you estimate quality of a battery?

There's a dozen other less accurate ways, but you need a battery in your hands to test or disassemble
what has been the best brand of battery for you?