Mighty Mini Scout Ailerons?

[Masterguns]

Howdy, folks;

Have any of you people cut ailerons into this little plane like is the option larger counterparts? It would add about an additional 11g with two 5g or less servos with the nominal weight of the typical linkages. I learned to fly with ailerons over four decades ago & it's just what's more logical, comfortable & user friendly for me. Not that I'm the be-all-end-all gate keeper of flying that every club or forum always has at least one of, but I buy or put ailerons on everything I fly. I want to try this this 'lil guy in my neighboord park two blocks away from my hootch because my airfield is covered in about three feet of melted snow that happened within about five minutes in the last week. 🐳

As always~
Semper Fi.
Masterguns

 

[Foamforce]

I always hear people say that with the amount of dihedral on the Mini Scout, ailerons wouldn’t do much. Maybe you could convert to straight wing and do it. The weight wouldn’t bother it at all, it has plenty of lift.

 

[Masterguns]

I always hear people say that with the amount of dihedral on the Mini Scout, ailerons wouldn’t do much. Maybe you could convert to straight wing and do it. The weight wouldn’t bother it at all, it has plenty of lift.

I was wondering about the dihedral as you mentioned, but wasn't too sure. Thanks for your reply, nonetheless.

 

[quorneng]

Materguns
I do agree with you about ailerons. All my RC planes have them as did the full size gliders I learnt to fly on!
Yes, generous dihedral will reduce the aileron's roll effectiveness but if they are of a proportional size & positioned out towards the wing tips they will certainly overcome any roll "reluctance" due to the dihedral.
You will just have to accept that you won't be able to do any complex 3D aerobatics but then without ailerons you can't anyway!

 

[Masterguns]

Materguns
I do agree with you about ailerons. All my RC planes have them as did the full size gliders I learnt to fly on!
Yes, generous dihedral will reduce the aileron's roll effectiveness but if they are of a proportional size & positioned out towards the wing tips they will certainly overcome any roll "reluctance" due to the dihedral.
You will just have to accept that you won't be able to do any complex 3D aerobatics but then without ailerons you can't anyway!

Sounds like a plan. I don't do 3D flying or such. Just typical rolls & loops & flying in left turns hehe. I like the ability to do tighter, faster & more coordinated turns depending on enviornmental factors or other anything else that might arise.

 

[dap35]

Howdy, folks;

Have any of you people cut ailerons into this little plane like is the option larger counterparts? It would add about an additional 11g with two 5g or less servos with the nominal weight of the typical linkages. I learned to fly with ailerons over four decades ago & it's just what's more logical, comfortable & user friendly for me. Not that I'm the be-all-end-all gate keeper of flying that every club or forum always has at least one of, but I buy or put ailerons on everything I fly. I want to try this this 'lil guy in my neighboord park two blocks away from my hootch because my airfield is covered in about three feet of melted snow that happened within about five minutes in the last week. 🐳

As always~
Semper Fi.
Masterguns

My first FT plane was the mini scout and it I added ailerons. Flew just fine and I did not change the dihedral.

 

[Jo's squadron]

I have tried it and it works great!

 

[Piotrsko]

Ailerons are always better, does drop the up going wing. Will it roll? , maybe not without adding corresponding rudder, wont be axial, but it still goes inverted and stays there. Hard to do on just rudder and elevator: have to loop to inverted. Altitude loss on rudder/elevator while inverted is humongous

 

[Masterguns]

Do you gents recommend full length like its larger brother's? Thanks.

Semper Fi,
Masterguns

 

[quorneng]

Personally I would not recommend full length ailerons as they can promote any odd characteristics the original wing may have.
Yes "hyper" aerobatic full size planes do use full length ailerons but normally ailerons are placed towards the wing tips to give the maximum roll "torque" for the smallest aerodynamic disturbance.
In addition with the ailerons well out on the wing the benefits of using a differential movement (more up travel than down) to control adverse yaw. Indeed it can be maximised to the point where no rudder input is required for perfect neutral turn.
Just saying.

 

[Masterguns]

So how many inches in relation to this particular mighty mini would you suggest? Or, just forgo the idea all together? My line of thinking was adding them to give me a more acute turn radius being in a park until my field dries up or if we get colder weather again to where the ground freezes once more & I don't have to deal with all the mud & muck getting down the drive to the field...it's pretty secluded on the land the city gave us. I'd rather just fly in the park for now & it's two minutes & two blocks from my home. If I was just flying at the field I would leave the design as is. The mini Scout will make due until the ground hardens up at the field. Thanks for that info.

 

[Piotrsko]

Not so much inches, but as a rule of thumb, 1/4 span will keep you safe. SOOO, on my 12 foot span Olympic you're looking at a 1/2 piece of aileron triangle shaped balsa aileron and a couple 3-4 18" extensions each side.

If you have to turn that tight very often, you either need to fly slower or smaller/lighter

 

[Merv]

So how many inches in relation to this particular mighty mini would you suggest?...

The rule of thumb, for 1/2 length ailerons, make them about 1/4 of the wing cord. For full length ailerons, make them about 1/8th of the cord.

To avoid adverse yaw, make sure the up aileron goes up more than the down aileron goes.

 

[Piotrsko]

avoid adverse yaw, make sure the up aileron goes up more than the down aileron goes.

Or have a monstrous and powerful rudder.

 

[Merv]

That also works

 

[Jo's squadron]

Let us know how it goes!

 

[Piotrsko]

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