Mini Kadet

futz

Junior Member
After twenty-some years out of the hobby I recently got interested in flying RC again. Bought a new radio and a Hobby King Slow Stick ARF and started learning to fly from square one again. I know what to do, but all the flying memory is gone. I'm a noob again, crashing constantly.

I first started building and flying in high school back in the late 70's. Then I lost interest until sometime in the early 90's, when I went a little RC crazy and built and flew quite a bit. Then I lost interest again until about a month ago.

Over the years things have changed fairly radically in the hobby, to say the least. Every time I come back to it I have to buy new radio equipment. My first radio was an EK Logictrol 5 channel LRB system. Then in the 90's I ran a Futaba. Now it's an el cheapo Turnigy 9X. Transmitters are cheap now, servos and receivers are throw-away cheap. FPV is not only possible, but cheap! We never saw any of that coming in the 70's or even in the 90's. Channel hopping radios with no worries about other people on the same channel are awesome! It's a different world now!

I found flitetest.com on YouTube and watched all the videos. Being an old balsa builder I just couldn't comprehend how folded foamboard could possibly be strong enough. Wings with no real spars or dihedral braces just boggled my mind... until I built myself an FT Tiny Trainer. The wings are surprisingly strong for what they're made of - I guess it's the sort of monocoque construction and the folds that do it. Smart engineering, and the added bonus of ultra cheap, simple, fast construction - and low weight to boot. Nice!

Back in the 90's I used to fly a Sig Kadet (the original version) with an OS .35 engine that I had built in the 70's and never flown. I never was totally comfortable with that plane, but I wanted a 1/2A version, so I scaled the paper plans (by hand with a home made proportional divider) and built a small 36" span balsa version powered by a Cox TD .049 glow engine.

It flew amazing! Way better than the full size Kadet! It was super fun to fly 3 channel - a wing with ailerons would have made it even better, but I never got around to building one. I flew the snot out of that little plane until parts of the fuselage were badly oil soaked, and then stripped it down to replace the soaked parts, but got busy with work and lost interest in RC again until now.

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It used to have a black doped paper windshield. It was oil soaked and got stripped with the rest.

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Recently I was thinking that the Mini Kadet would be a natural for a FT-style foam board build and electric power. Back in the 90's I redrew my paper plans for the plane in CAD, and still had the old TurboCAD file on one of the hard drives here. I converted that to DXF so I could import it to DraftSight (a superb CAD program for the price BTW) and redrew the whole thing in DWG format. I still have my two old balsa wings for it that could be used, but decided to draw and build a foamboard wing for it as well.

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I flattened the cowl and windshield area to make building much simpler. If you want it to be a bit more streamlined and look better just build it rounded.

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I may yet do some redesign on the wing. I'm not sure I like having that spacer in there.

For the build, since I'm in Canada, I'm using Ross foamboard from Dollarama, made by Elmer's. It weighs 129 grams per sheet, and seems to build almost exactly like DTFB.

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I like building almost more than I like flying, and I haven't gotten beyond framing up this airplane. I have not flown it yet, but if it flies half as good as the original Mini Kadet I'm pretty sure it will be awesome.

See my blobby sloppy glue joints? See where I glued the top of the fuselage to the table and had to chisel it off? I built it with a super old and crappy glue gun and some ancient glue sticks. They didn't work very well. I have since bought a 100W Surebonder gun and good quality new glue sticks. They work a lot better and aren't such a fight to use.

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I have DWG (and DXF and PDF) plans if anyone wants a copy. They're not perfect, but if you're a regular scratch builder you'll figure them out and/or modify them to suit yourself. Here's a link to the rar file.

I have no automatic way to make tiled plans. I use a convoluted method to make my own with DraftSight, printing to PDF and then use Adobe Reader to manually print one page at a time on my laser printer. Works pretty good.

I run pretty much exclusively Linux machines (I hate MS Windows), so all plan work is done with DraftSight, Inkscape (for PDF to DXF conversions) and an old version of Adobe Reader for Linux (no longer available - thanks a lot Adobe - always hated Adobe Reader on Windows, but the Linux version was pretty good).
 
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Ron B

Posted a thousand or more times
from one old balsa builder to another welcome to foamies and the forum
 

futz

Junior Member
from one old balsa builder to another welcome to foamies and the forum
Thanks Ron.

TEAJR66 said:
Make sure to let us know how it fly's. Flight video would be even better.
I will. I'll get some (probably embarrassing) video when the time comes and post.
 
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GremlinRC

FT_Nut
Hi Futz. That looks totally awesome! Are you planning to add a rudder or just leave that bit out? I think you might need at least a fixed rudder for stability. Congrats on that build. I look forward to see it maiden.

Dave.
 

hotwax

Active member
Hi futz,

welcome to the forums.

I did some old balsa models in foamboard and they all fly great.

Just proceed
 

futz

Junior Member
Hi Futz. That looks totally awesome! Are you planning to add a rudder or just leave that bit out? I think you might need at least a fixed rudder for stability. Congrats on that build. I look forward to see it maiden.

Dave.
Hey Dave. Look again. There's a rudder on the plan. It wouldn't fly worth a damn without one. :D

What's probably fooling you in the pics is Sig's sneaky way of putting the fin/rudder so the back edge of the rudder is right at the front edge of the elevator (hinge line).

The elevator pushrod comes out the rear center of the fuse to the control horn dead center of the elevator. Rudder pushrod comes out the top of the fuse on right or left side (your choice).
 
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futz

Junior Member
If at all possible, PDF plans would be nice.
PDF plans are in the rar file.

My foam Mini Kadet is ready to fly, but the weather has been non-stop rain and cold. Here on the Wet Coast it can absolutely pour rain for weeks at a time - that's just normal winter weather for us. Good thing it rarely snows here or it would be so deep we couldn't move. It has been pretty dismal for the last couple months.

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futz

Junior Member
How's your progress on this bird?
Pure laziness. :p I haven't touched it since the last post. Weather is still wet and cold anyway. Built most of a Simple Storch while waiting for some spring weather.

I can't open the file you posted. Any chance of loading PDF Here?
Really? Rar has been around forever. It's better than zip. For Windows, get a copy of WinRAR and you're in business (does zip files too). In Linux just install rar and it works automagically with Archive Manager (FileRoller). I have no idea what Apple users do, but I'm sure there's some rar tools there too.

But whatever - here's links to all three files contained in the rar:
mini_kadet_full.dwg
mini_kadet_full.dxf
mini_kadet_full.pdf
 
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TooJung2Die

Master member
Looks like you have a foam board winner there, futz. I'm on a slow mission to build all the balsa airplanes I made as a boy using foam board. I couldn't afford radio control back then and mostly flew free flight. So far I built the Carl Goldberg Ranger 30 and Ken Willard Schoolgirl.

I like the looks of the Mini Kadet. It should be a natural for foam board conversion and fly as good as the original. Very nice plans too. Keep us posted on your progress!

Jon
 

futz

Junior Member
I'm on a slow mission to build all the balsa airplanes I made as a boy using foam board. I couldn't afford radio control back then and mostly flew free flight. So far I built the Carl Goldberg Ranger 30 and Ken Willard Schoolgirl.
I've been following both those projects with great interest. I used to have a Ranger 42 styrofoam - never did get that thing flying. :) I have your Ranger 30 plans all printed and ready. Just haven't cut any foamboard yet. May build a Schoolgirl later.

I like the looks of the Mini Kadet. It should be a natural for foam board conversion and fly as good as the original. Very nice plans too. Keep us posted on your progress!
Ya, I think it'll fly fine. Maybe it'll stop raining one of these weeks and I'll get off my duff and toss it in the air.
 

BobK

Banned
I did the Schoolgirl and working on the Ranger, pretty sure this will be my next project..Always loved the Kadets I just gave away my old Seniorita to an up and coming R/C pilot and I already miss the ol' girl.
 

RCGEO

New member
After twenty-some years out of the hobby I recently got interested in flying RC again. Bought a new radio and a Hobby King Slow Stick ARF and started learning to fly from square one again. I know what to do, but all the flying memory is gone. I'm a noob again, crashing constantly.

I first started building and flying in high school back in the late 70's. Then I lost interest until sometime in the early 90's, when I went a little RC crazy and built and flew quite a bit. Then I lost interest again until about a month ago.

Over the years things have changed fairly radically in the hobby, to say the least. Every time I come back to it I have to buy new radio equipment. My first radio was an EK Logictrol 5 channel LRB system. Then in the 90's I ran a Futaba. Now it's an el cheapo Turnigy 9X. Transmitters are cheap now, servos and receivers are throw-away cheap. FPV is not only possible, but cheap! We never saw any of that coming in the 70's or even in the 90's. Channel hopping radios with no worries about other people on the same channel are awesome! It's a different world now!

I found flitetest.com on YouTube and watched all the videos. Being an old balsa builder I just couldn't comprehend how folded foamboard could possibly be strong enough. Wings with no real spars or dihedral braces just boggled my mind... until I built myself an FT Tiny Trainer. The wings are surprisingly strong for what they're made of - I guess it's the sort of monocoque construction and the folds that do it. Smart engineering, and the added bonus of ultra cheap, simple, fast construction - and low weight to boot. Nice!

Back in the 90's I used to fly a Sig Kadet (the original version) with an OS .35 engine that I had built in the 70's and never flown. I never was totally comfortable with that plane, but I wanted a 1/2A version, so I scaled the paper plans (by hand with a home made proportional divider) and built a small 36" span balsa version powered by a Cox TD .049 glow engine.

It flew amazing! Way better than the full size Kadet! It was super fun to fly 3 channel - a wing with ailerons would have made it even better, but I never got around to building one. I flew the snot out of that little plane until parts of the fuselage were badly oil soaked, and then stripped it down to replace the soaked parts, but got busy with work and lost interest in RC again until now.

IMG_4420sm.JPG

It used to have a black doped paper windshield. It was oil soaked and got stripped with the rest.

IMG_4418sm.JPG


Recently I was thinking that the Mini Kadet would be a natural for a FT-style foam board build and electric power. Back in the 90's I redrew my paper plans for the plane in CAD, and still had the old TurboCAD file on one of the hard drives here. I converted that to DXF so I could import it to DraftSight (a superb CAD program for the price BTW) and redrew the whole thing in DWG format. I still have my two old balsa wings for it that could be used, but decided to draw and build a foamboard wing for it as well.

IMG_4422sm.JPG

I flattened the cowl and windshield area to make building much simpler. If you want it to be a bit more streamlined and look better just build it rounded.

IMG_4427sm.JPG

I may yet do some redesign on the wing. I'm not sure I like having that spacer in there.

For the build, since I'm in Canada, I'm using Ross foamboard from Dollarama, made by Elmer's. It weighs 129 grams per sheet, and seems to build almost exactly like DTFB.

IMG_4434sm.JPG


I like building almost more than I like flying, and I haven't gotten beyond framing up this airplane. I have not flown it yet, but if it flies half as good as the original Mini Kadet I'm pretty sure it will be awesome.

See my blobby sloppy glue joints? See where I glued the top of the fuselage to the table and had to chisel it off? I built it with a super old and crappy glue gun and some ancient glue sticks. They didn't work very well. I have since bought a 100W Surebonder gun and good quality new glue sticks. They work a lot better and aren't such a fight to use.

IMG_4428sm.JPG


I have DWG (and DXF and PDF) plans if anyone wants a copy. They're not perfect, but if you're a regular scratch builder you'll figure them out and/or modify them to suit yourself. Here's a link to the rar file.

I have no automatic way to make tiled plans. I use a convoluted method to make my own with DraftSight, printing to PDF and then use Adobe Reader to manually print one page at a time on my laser printer. Works pretty good.

I run pretty much exclusively Linux machines (I hate MS Windows), so all plan work is done with DraftSight, Inkscape (for PDF to DXF conversions) and an old version of Adobe Reader for Linux (no longer available - thanks a lot Adobe - always hated Adobe Reader on Windows, but the Linux version was pretty good).



What is a .rar file?