Motor died immediately on takeoff

Captain J

Well-known member
I burned out 2 engines due to water ingress: 1 - snow got into the engine in winter and 2 - when the boat capsized. I disassemble all NEW engines and dip them 2-3 times in Plastik-71 radio varnish.You made me laugh: make a video of your engines swimming and running. There was a video on YouTube of experiments on which engines actually work in water....There are very few of them. I have a 0.4mm wire that was manufactured in the USSR for space needs. You can't find wires of this quality right now...I have engines that have been running for over 10 years after rewinding.
okie…so time out here…

talk to me about Plastik 71…i am going to google as soon as i am done here…

when you say disassemble, you mean bell housing?

then dip actual copper winding in plastik 71?

edit: googled, still reading. there is liquid and spray. you mentioned dipping so i am assuming you like dip over spray?
 
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Mr Man

Mr SPEED!
I burned out 2 engines due to water ingress: 1 - snow got into the engine in winter and 2 - when the boat capsized. I disassemble all NEW engines and dip them 2-3 times in Plastik-71 radio varnish.You made me laugh: make a video of your engines swimming and running. There was a video on YouTube of experiments on which engines actually work in water....There are very few of them. I have a 0.4mm wire that was manufactured in the USSR for space needs. You can't find wires of this quality right now...I have engines that have been running for over 10 years after rewinding.
Glad to add some humor.😂🤣🤣
 

Foamforce

Elite member
Sorry to say, but it’s almost certain that your son didn’t fully cut the throttle when it hit the ground. It’s very hard to remember exactly what happened right when you crash because of the adrenaline.

What you described though is exactly what happens if a motor is stuck and power is applied. If the motor is stuck, it draws high amps which makes a lot of heat and burns the insulation off the windings. It can happen in seconds. I’ve done it myself. You might have heard a little whine first, then seen some light smoke from the motor, and if you touched the motor it was probably hot. Afterwards it either won’t turn at all, or it just jitters.

Lesson learned, just buy a new motor. Sorry, but it will go better next time!
 

Mr Man

Mr SPEED!
Sorry to say, but it’s almost certain that your son didn’t fully cut the throttle when it hit the ground. It’s very hard to remember exactly what happened right when you crash because of the adrenaline.

What you described though is exactly what happens if a motor is stuck and power is applied. If the motor is stuck, it draws high amps which makes a lot of heat and burns the insulation off the windings. It can happen in seconds. I’ve done it myself. You might have heard a little whine first, then seen some light smoke from the motor, and if you touched the motor it was probably hot. Afterwards it either won’t turn at all, or it just jitters.

Lesson learned, just buy a new motor. Sorry, but it will go better next time!
Yes indeed, from what I’ve heard, FT’s new line of electronics that they’re developing will be fine in case that happens, I think.
 

Captain J

Well-known member
Sorry to say, but it’s almost certain that your son didn’t fully cut the throttle when it hit the ground. It’s very hard to remember exactly what happened right when you crash because of the adrenaline.

What you described though is exactly what happens if a motor is stuck and power is applied. If the motor is stuck, it draws high amps which makes a lot of heat and burns the insulation off the windings. It can happen in seconds. I’ve done it myself. You might have heard a little whine first, then seen some light smoke from the motor, and if you touched the motor it was probably hot. Afterwards it either won’t turn at all, or it just jitters.

Lesson learned, just buy a new motor. Sorry, but it will go better next time!
that was actually my initial thought also.

the question is, “do we believe him, when he says he cut throttle immediately”? i will take him to be telling the truth.
 

Mr Man

Mr SPEED!
Well here’s how I look at it, we’ve all burnt motors right? I think it would be best just to move on and keep plowing ahead!
 

Captain J

Well-known member
Hmm, I don’t think moisture would do much, brushless motors work fine completely submerged. But I agree with the others, and I now know what’s on some of my used motors.😜
you guys would know more than me…i will hold up a huge sign saying “electrical is absolutely my weakest link” in the fabrication world….

i have been wondering if wires ark out inside the motor? the FT 2505 that went out on me, was in a charlie, and was almost instant, i launch in a soccer field and didnt make it across it…when i got to the plane the motor was so hot you couldn’t touch it. a flash hobby motor that went out was similar.

the way they are built this may not be possible? i just look at the windings and think one small error and this thing is sn electrical fire.
 

Captain J

Well-known member
Well here’s how I look at it, we’ve all burnt motors right? I think it would be best just to move on and keep plowing ahead!
man thats the story.

for me its honestly not even a shock when stuff like this happens.

i dont say this with negative intent, rather like a calm “is what it is” attitude when i say this is normal.

flying rc planes is like owning a boat…it dont matter how hard you try to baby it…you are putting money in it almost every time you go out, even if only for normal maintenance.

the guys i fly with call themselves The Dead Pilots Society…our modo…What Curse? 😂

why? cause its like owning a dang boat 😂
 

Captain J

Well-known member
same.

i have sprayed certain types of “grease” which i suspect was like liquid silicone over larger circuit boards in things like hvac units. large boards that can get a lot of temp change with humidity.

you think motors could ark out from windings being to close or anything like that?

its strange for me to see plastik 71 come up as i have been wondering similar things about motors, wondering if i should try to seal them. i actually thought about spraying electrical sealing lubricant in…just havent researched it yet to know if thats safe.

but again…i am not exactly a genius when it comes to electrical.
 

Piotrsko

Master member
Motors fry if there's a nick in the insulating varnish. Easey peasey to do, sounds like the manufacturer was sloppy but you need more than one nick to short 2 wires. Proper useage would be to test your motor, installed to something for a minute or so and see if it's too hot to touch. Also realize we are taking the hobby to the edges of sane operation, sometimes past that, and smoke is a probable result.
 

Captain J

Well-known member
Motors fry if there's a nick in the insulating varnish. Easey peasey to do, sounds like the manufacturer was sloppy but you need more than one nick to short 2 wires. Proper useage would be to test your motor, installed to something for a minute or so and see if it's too hot to touch. Also realize we are taking the hobby to the edges of sane operation, sometimes past that, and smoke is a probable result.
yeah that is in the neighborhood of what i have been wondering.

i see so many issues with small electronics across the bored now.

though frustrating, motors are at least not wildly expensive.
 

Foamforce

Elite member
Yeah, it’s unlikely that this was caused by a defect or a nick in the winding. You probably would have seen jittering in the motor prior to the accident in that case. Since this happened immediately after the prop had ground contact, it’s almost certainly due to getting power while locked up.

One time I had a plane that “landed” on tall grass with the prop facing upward. I thought it would be cute to take off straight up without retrieving it first. Well, there was enough grass impeding the prop that after a couple seconds, it let the magic smoke out. Lesson learned. 😂
 

Captain J

Well-known member
Yeah, it’s unlikely that this was caused by a defect or a nick in the winding. You probably would have seen jittering in the motor prior to the accident in that case. Since this happened immediately after the prop had ground contact, it’s almost certainly due to getting power while locked up.

One time I had a plane that “landed” on tall grass with the prop facing upward. I thought it would be cute to take off straight up without retrieving it first. Well, there was enough grass impeding the prop that after a couple seconds, it let the magic smoke out. Lesson learned. 😂
man…gods honest truth, thats exactly what happened on the three i speak of. if i am lying we can stand before god about it after i die. i think i even have talked about it in the forums here. all three i thought i had RF interference from my radio being to close to receiver, so i throttled down, started over, held plane as far away with left hand, radio in right, throttled up with my teeth, launch, dead.

i am still going to trust the OPs word that motor was cut before landing. no disrespect guys…in short you are telling him he is a liar. which is exactly how i get treated here if i say something counter to the “accepted” opinions here. legit, no disrespect guys, but rather with as much respect as i can give…have you considered how demoralizing and disrespectful it is to someone who is learning when every thing they say is automatically shot down, dismissed, and told is wrong?

where i fly is an airfield, 7000x4000 feet, the grass is usually 6-8” tall, every time i land, i am throttle at zero, elevator down, you can see the prop spinning from air friction not throttle, plane lands, grass wraps around prop. if i am ever doing a low fly and hit ground or legitimately crash with throttle up when hitting grass, it never wraps around prop as the thrust just cuts the grass and ejects it out.
 

Foamforce

Elite member
i am still going to trust the OPs word that motor was cut before landing. no disrespect guys…in short you are telling him he is a liar. which is exactly how i get treated here if i say something counter to the “accepted” opinions here. legit, no disrespect guys, but rather with as much respect as i can give…have you considered how demoralizing and disrespectful it is to someone who is learning when every thing they say is automatically shot down, dismissed, and told is wrong?

I don’t think I was disrespectful. I was encouraging. Re-read my posts please.

People want to know what actually happened so they can learn. As long as we are encouraging and respectful about it (which I was), then explaining what actually happened is more useful than confusing them with less likely explanations.

Out of curiosity, what part of my explanation did you think was disrespectful?
 

Mr Man

Mr SPEED!
My son just built an Ft Tuter and we were excited to take it out for a maiden, when we got to the field the motor was working fine but when he went to take off he gave it a little too much elevator to get the tail wheel off the ground (the landing gear was in taildragger configuration) and the nose went down. When the nose went down the prop hit some grass and cut the grass ( we think the grass went into the motor). when the nose hit the ground, the motor started smoking. When we looked closely at the motor, we saw what looked like a burn on one of the copper coils in the motor. We couldn't get the motor to work after that so we are wondering if this is common or if there is some other issue that the motor might have had before the incident.
Thank you for reading.

This motor oughta work well as a cheap replacement, I've got one powering a 40" pt-17 stearman. (1400kv)
 

Captain J

Well-known member
I don’t think I was disrespectful. I was encouraging. Re-read my posts please.

People want to know what actually happened so they can learn. As long as we are encouraging and respectful about it (which I was), then explaining what actually happened is more useful than confusing them with less likely explanations.

Out of curiosity, what part of my explanation did you think was disrespectful?
 

Captain J

Well-known member
I don’t think I was disrespectful. I was encouraging. Re-read my posts please.

People want to know what actually happened so they can learn. As long as we are encouraging and respectful about it (which I was), then explaining what actually happened is more useful than confusing them with less likely explanations.

Out of curiosity, what part of my explanation did you think was disrespectful?
every person on here except for myself is telling him he did not drop throttle. he said “throttle was off”. you may not realize it…you and the others saying the same, that he kept throttle up, you are calling him a liar, or saying he is unaware of his own actions and what he witnessed. you may not intend to demoralize disrespect but that is what it feels like on the other side.