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Multirotor help!

#1
So i am hoping to get a about 5" quad, i have a gremlin an really enjoy it. I am looking at two different quads and was hoping for some help as two the difference, what to buy, which is better, advice, etc. So the two quads i am looking at are the EMAX Buzz 2400kv 4s version and the other is the Eachine Wizard x220 any thoughts as to which is better, the difference, which you would recommend? Thanks!
 

PsyBorg

Wake up! Time to fly!
#3
Not sure about newer prebuilts. I jumped past that long ago abd build my own.

Electricsean has one of the wizards and says its decent.

No idea what spectrum receivers to use but this bump back up front may give it more exposure for some one else to see and answer.

As for batteries on a quad 1300mah is standard. Nothing under 75c. Even some 75c batteries cant take the beating some pilots put them thru.

On my Alien I fly chinahobbyline 100c 1500 mah batteries and on the racers I fly 5s 1300mah 100c chnl batteries. I use the white wrapped ones not the newer oranfe ones. Have not tried those yet as I am super happy with the ones I use.
 

FDS

Well-known member
#4
They do make DSMX versions of some pre made. Personally I would build your own, it saves money and you can use better components.
You will have to look for a PNP (plug n play) version of your preferred quad and then use the Spektrum Sbus receiver, SPM4648.
FRsky dominates multi rotors because it has much better receivers, with more features and lighter weight, smaller sizes.
 
#5
They do make DSMX versions of some pre made. Personally I would build your own, it saves money and you can use better components.
You will have to look for a PNP (plug n play) version of your preferred quad and then use the Spektrum Sbus receiver, SPM4648.
FRsky dominates multi rotors because it has much better receivers, with more features and lighter weight, smaller sizes.

As far as recievers go would this work: https://www.horizonhobby.com/spektrum-dsmx-quad-race-receiver-with-diversity-p-spm4648
have any of y'all heard anything about either of these quads, good or bad? My problem with building is #1 I am horrible at soldering, and i know this could really limit me, and #2 I hear a lot of people say that building is more pricey.

If i do decide to build would something like this work well?

Reciever: https://www.horizonhobby.com/spektrum-dsmx-quad-race-receiver-with-diversity-p-spm4648

Camera: https://store.flitetest.com/runcam-swift-2-fpv-camera-2.3mm-lens-orange-rnc-swift2-or-l23/p671521

VtX: https://store.flitetest.com/lumenier-tx5g6r-mini-600mw-5.8ghz-transmitter-w-raceband-lum3089/p536442

PDB: https://store.flitetest.com/racetek-matek-mini-power-hub-w-bec-5v-12v-rtk2504/p523473

Here is where things get confusing:

Motors: which ones should i go with?? https://store.flitetest.com/strix-sixshooter-2207-2450kv-brushless-motor-srx-170044/p778701
or this https://store.flitetest.com/emax-rs...tor-cw-thread-white-emx-rs2306-2750-w/p613295 ?

I could also get this which are MUCH cheaper and come with an ESC https://store.flitetest.com/emax-rs2205s-2600kv-bullet-30a-quad-pack-combo-emx-cb-1802/p667821

ESC: I don't know what size i should get, help!!

Props: I also don't know

Frame: I don't know which one to choose and what the biggest difference is, would all of this hold a runcam swift 2?

option #1 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G116VK8/?tag=lstir-20

option #2 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078T6FDVV/?tag=lstir-20

option #3 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HKCPQMV/?tag=lstir-20

So what do you think i should change? What type of flight experience will this give me?

Thanks!




Any other good ideas for a really fast, powerful, fun, and non-expensivve drone?
 

FDS

Well-known member
#6
I would go elsewhere for quad parts, Raceday Quads has a much wider selection. I don’t like the Runcam Swift, the Caddx Ratel is much less $ and better. Likewise if you buy an all in one (AIO) Flight Controller then you don’t need a PDB. Pad soldering is super simple, there’s lots of how to videos on YT for quad soldering. Even if you have a pre built you are going to need to solder, since you will crash it and parts will need replacing. Get a good 25-30w iron (decent quality not dollar store) and it will last years.
Frame wise I would recommend the TBS Source One as it’s a really well built, community designed frame that’s less than the price of the Armattan clones you have listed and supports the community not cloners. It’s available lots of places.
There’s also plenty of build videos for it.
I would go for an F4 or F7 AIO board, separate 30A ESC’s, the RX I suggested I see you have already found, then a Caddx Ratel camera and whatever variable power VTX you want, motors wise the Emax ones are OK but the T Motor LF40’s like these are a superb motor for a little bit more but pack greater punch and higher spec with low weight.
Look at a few builds on YouTube, then search out tests of the core components to see what you like, the choice is huge, which can be a problem. I went with a simple Matek F4 based build for my first two quads and they flew great with easy set up.
Pretty much any well tuned 5 inch with moderately good components is going to feel plenty exciting enough as a beginner.
 
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Bricks

Well-known member
#7
Which Spektrum transmitter do you have if you have the DX6 and above you can use the Spektrum 4849T receiver which supports telemetry it is what I use in my quads. I do not build my quads me I just do not want too I would rather just fly and repair as FDS said way to many choices out there for parts for my liking..
 

PsyBorg

Wake up! Time to fly!
#8
Racing and cheap are two words that dont work well together in this hobby.

Going really fast stresses the snot out of electronics. Cheap bang good everyday crap will be lucky to last one full send launch IF it even works out of the box.

Bulky freestyle frames hinder "fast" between weight and drag.

If your budget is limited I suggest you build a respectible freestyle quad to learn to fly on. Jumping into a high powered quad and not knowing what you are doing let alone less then adiquit skill is both expensive AND dangerous.

As much as I dont support mass produced quads I would say the newest wizard with the suggested receiver for spectrum will serve you better until your knowledge and skills are more advanced.
 
#10
having gone thru this process recently. as far as motors, look at 2300kv range, 2450kv atthe max. those higher kv motors will be seriously fast and probably hard on batteries, as well as shorter flight times.

as for frames i learned the hard way with cheap ones on amazon, despite being warned (psyborg), they were ok while they lasted, but most of them had 3mm thick arms, first thing that's going to break and then there wasn't any spare parts available.
that said, first thing i look at when choosing a frame now, is there spare parts readily available and i prefer 5mm thick arms. i haven't broke a 5mm arm yet and i have a spare set for it on the shelf.
after my last cheap frame i ended up with hyperlite flosstyle from pyro drone. considering this one for a second build RMRC screech has 5mm thick boomerang style arms (very strong) and priced for tight budgets. both are reputable companies in the community.

you may want to look at the if you are new to building is the height of the standoffs, the pieces that separate the upper and lower plates. the ones that come with something like the floss style are only 20mm ( i think ), makes it really tight and challenging to get all stuff crammed in there. you could always buy taller standoffs though.

lastly, don't let soldering stand in your way, psyborg has a real good vid on youtube on soldering. even if you do go with pre built, if you fly it enough you're going to end up working on it.

dave
 

FDS

Well-known member
#11
@IcedStorm777 Thats a satellite receiver, it will work (the Lemon RX one is half the price and better) but it’s not as good as an Sbus one, you have to mess around in Betaflight to get them to work, my last satellite RX only worked on ppm. The binding process is a bit more arcane too, it’s not just a button press.
 

ElectriSean

Eternal Student
Mentor
#12
@IcedStorm777 Thats a satellite receiver, it will work (the Lemon RX one is half the price and better) but it’s not as good as an Sbus one, you have to mess around in Betaflight to get them to work, my last satellite RX only worked on ppm. The binding process is a bit more arcane too, it’s not just a button press.
The Rx he linked is one of the newer quad receivers, which is the easiest option for Spektrum these days as they have the auto-bind feature. No need to go into the CLI to bind as with the older satellites. Mainly I wanted to note that there are no Spektrum SBUS receivers, they have their own serial protocol.
 
#15
Anyone know if this would work?
I know it is a build but is 50% of the price of the Eachine Wizard and looks almost better! Has anyone built or flown this? Do you think it is a good idea?
 
#16
I think i am going to look more into building my own as it looks cheaper. After further review i am thinking of going with these parts, some of them are from the UAV future build. Please let me know if this will work. Whatever happens i really want to build my own quad. Please tell me if there are good alternatives for these parts (price friendly). Here we go:

Frame: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chameleon-PUDA-FPV-Frame-5-220mm-FPV-Freestyle-Quad-Unibody-Racing-Drone-Q49A/132942045109?hash=item1ef3f69fb5:g:lgsAAOSw6tNbWEW0&frcectupt=true
I heard that 3mm frames are kinda flimsy so i am glad that this is a 4mm frame.

Reciever: https://www.horizonhobby.com/spektrum-dsmx-quad-race-receiver-with-diversity-p-spm4648
My only question is how does it connect to the PDB?

Power Distribution Board: https://store.flitetest.com/racetek-matek-mini-power-hub-w-bec-5v-12v-rtk-4051604848/p778809
Would this work? I would hope that this would work as it is cheap.

ESC's: Which one would you reccomend? I know one is 25Amp and one is 30AMP, so do i really NEED 30AMP or not?
https://www.banggood.com/Racerstar-...=1081&p=CG24181822629201506N&cur_warehouse=CN

https://store.flitetest.com/hobbywi...-multirotor-brushless-esc-hwa30901074/p568139

Motors: https://www.banggood.com/DYS-Samguk...24181822629201506N&ID=521905&cur_warehouse=CN
These look good

Camera: https://www.banggood.com/JJA-CM1200...181822629201506N&ID=22844070&cur_warehouse=CN
What is the difference between PAL and NTSC, which is better or which would you reccomend?

VTX: https://www.banggood.com/Mini-VTX58...=1081&p=CG24181822629201506N&cur_warehouse=CN
Would this work?

Propeller:
https://www.banggood.com/10-Pairs-G...24181822629201506N&ID=46107&cur_warehouse=USA

So i am hoping that this would be a good quad that has speed but decent flight times to. What batteries would you reccomend? Thanks!
 

FDS

Well-known member
#17
That clone chameleon frame is OK, the TBS Source One is slightly cheaper and you support the community not cloners, plus they sell parts like arms separately. @cnc_dave kinked you some other frame choices too.
Always buy bigger rated ESC’s, it’s better to have more headroom.
If you buy a good All In One (AIO) flight controller then you don’t need a PDB. Get an F4 or better an F7 FC.
The receiver connections should be in the diagrams for the Flight Controller. I like the Matek FC’s as they have good documentation. Banggood sources generally don’t have links to wiring or manufacturers set up info.
Camera- Caddx Ratel is my favourite at the moment, amazing for under $30. It also has removable lenses and filters, plus is good in low light. PAL and NTSC are just formats for the image, most goggles do both, some cameras work best on PAL, some on NTSC. You can mess with that in their settings to suit you.
Cheaper motors are a bit meh. I like the T Motor LF40 as an entry level motor but they do cost more. If you buy better core components like FC, ESC etc then you can switch the motors later.
VTX is fine. Props would get you airborne and you will break plenty learning.
Thanks those of you who corrected my misinformation about the Spektrum receivers. I will not advise on those in future as I have only used two DSMX quad receivers!
 
#18
That clone chameleon frame is OK, the TBS Source One is slightly cheaper and you support the community not cloners, plus they sell parts like arms separately. @cnc_dave kinked you some other frame choices too.
Always buy bigger rated ESC’s, it’s better to have more headroom.
If you buy a good All In One (AIO) flight controller then you don’t need a PDB. Get an F4 or better an F7 FC.
The receiver connections should be in the diagrams for the Flight Controller. I like the Matek FC’s as they have good documentation. Banggood sources generally don’t have links to wiring or manufacturers set up info.
Camera- Caddx Ratel is my favourite at the moment, amazing for under $30. It also has removable lenses and filters, plus is good in low light. PAL and NTSC are just formats for the image, most goggles do both, some cameras work best on PAL, some on NTSC. You can mess with that in their settings to suit you.
Cheaper motors are a bit meh. I like the T Motor LF40 as an entry level motor but they do cost more. If you buy better core components like FC, ESC etc then you can switch the motors later.
VTX is fine. Props would get you airborne and you will break plenty learning.
Thanks those of you who corrected my misinformation about the Spektrum receivers. I will not advise on those in future as I have only used two DSMX quad receivers!
Ok thanks, can you link the things that you think need to be replaced or changed? Thanks
 

FDS

Well-known member
#19
If you look on Raceday Quads they have most things. I am not in your country, so it will take me longer to find them.
Don’t rush to buy it all, check out documentation for your favoured flight controller, as it’s got to make sense to YOU first!