I'm pretty much going to agree with earthsciteach. We've made the same recommendations for years because those two planes have stood the test of time. This topic comes up a lot. If you want to have everything you need show up in one box, you just can't beat the hobbyzone supercub. I learned on it, most of my friends learned on it,we've all taught many people to fly with it. As teach said, you can also modify it as your skills increase. Even veteran pilots still have fun with them.