Scary delta

AMMO193

Member
Please video this one. That will be one bad boy. Hope your rudders are in-line with thrust and fuse. Takeoff and landing with slow speeds will be fun and be sure you rearranged controls as quorneng mention are necessary. That's why I used dihedral.

How are you launching?
Sorry for the late response... Yeah definitely will be recorded ( once I get the trims done etc).... There's no rudders but I assume you mean the vert stabs right?

I always underhand launch at a high angle (70 degrees), give 75 percent throttle and throw up as hard as I can (usually with a good shout) by then it's usually high enough so I have plenty of time to recover the controls.
Will keep you updated!
 

AMMO193

Member
My speed wing had ultra small vertical stabilizers on the wingtips, and it was very stable…

Man I wish Flitetest can revisit this design!
Here's my final version compared to the one I showed you earlier this year 👍

Before (initial design ):
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Latest modification:
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AMMO193

Member
Having built a number of deltas the thing to remember using big elevon on a delta is that when operating as ailerons they are very effective but as when as elevators rather less so. This means if the surfaces have the same control deflection for both elevator and aileron mode there will be poor control harmonisation and be tricky to fly smoothly. The sharper the delta sweep the more pronounced this effect becomes.

A delta also relies heavily on the generated wing vortices to provide pitch stability however to maintain this stability the position of the CG is quite critical.
I do wonder if such a large centre cut out coupled with the airflow from the prop might effect the way the vortices are formed and thus the delta's "natural" stability.
My scale Concorde with its very sharp delta sweep, like the full size, uses inboard elevators and smaller out board ailerons to provide a better control "balance".
My remote can be tuned for different throws for each channel and yes, sometimes I need way more pitch than roll throws.

Ah... So here's me thinking that huge cutout will help reduce drag and better airflow but may cause more harm than good
 

Shurik-1960

Elite member
- This model is a real bruiser in the sky. I assemble it in 2 days. I advise you to collect and enjoy. Why do it badly, but your own...If there are excellent models?
 
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AMMO193

Member
- This model is a real bruiser in the sky. I assemble it in 2 days. I advise you to collect and enjoy. Why do it badly, but your own...If there are excellent models?
Mesarc made lots of awesome models! The problem is I don't like relying too much on hot glue joints because it can peel off or deteriorate in hot weather...
 

FishbonesAir

Well-known member
Eeeeeek!! That's encouraging 😅😅
I haven't glue in the stabilisers yet so I might need to redesign?
What do you mean by stalls being odd? Also won't the horizontal stabilisers help negate the torque rolling?
Thanks for the
The true test is flight. It's foam board, take it for a controlled glide test. TV 5
Having built a number of deltas the thing to remember using big elevon on a delta is that when operating as ailerons they are very effective but as when as elevators rather less so. This means if the surfaces have the same control deflection for both elevator and aileron mode there will be poor control harmonisation and be tricky to fly smoothly. The sharper the delta sweep the more pronounced this effect becomes.

A delta also relies heavily on the generated wing vortices to provide pitch stability however to maintain this stability the position of the CG is quite critical.
I do wonder if such a large centre cut out coupled with the airflow from the prop might effect the way the vortices are formed and thus the delta's "natural" stability.
My scale Concorde with its very sharp delta sweep, like the full size, uses inboard elevators and smaller out board ailerons to provide a better control "balance".
Fascinating, short treatise on the subject. Thank you!
 

telnar1236

Elite member
What program is that you are using there?
Simflow for the CFD and Paraview to generate the plots. There's a bit of barrier to entry to both these in terms of needing to understand CFD to set up the model and needing to understand aerodynamics to know what you're looking at. They're very capable though, and simflow is free so long as you're ok with some limits which I am ok with.
If you're interested in getting into analyzing your planes more scientifically before flying them, I'd recommend XFLR5. It's less capable (it couldn't analyze the slot on this design for example) but it's easier to use and has better documentation which also includes explanations of the relevant aerodynamic concepts
 

Piotrsko

Legendary member
Mesarc made lots of awesome models! The problem is I don't like relying too much on hot glue joints because it can peel off or deteriorate in hot weather...
Quit using crafting hot glue low temp sticks, spend the bit more money and get high temp sticks. Mine take a full 20 minutes to start melting in my ryobi gun but they laugh at being on black foamboard in the desert sun
 

AMMO193

Member
Bad news folks; Disaster!
Way out of trim and way off balance, the way it bobbed up and down like a Chinese dragon....

Managed to land it safely, didn't bother trying again... got too disorientated after the maiden flight. I guess there's a reason they don't use props in slots in actual planes, it almost ruins the integrity and gets really bendy around that area. Oh well... Back to the drawing board, thinking about filling the slot and extending the nose to make some kind of edf jet like so:


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Shurik-1960

Elite member
You have no experience making models, you only have the desire to create.... And you can't create yourself either, so you're asking for help. It might be worth looking at similar models on the Internet.Why would I advise you to move the engine closer to the nose if you don't understand why.. https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?1333878-**-Pics-with-links-to-600-plans-** - I love this site and have repeated many models. I make models with improvements based on my extensive experience.
 

Mr Man

Mr SPEED!
You have no experience making models, you only have the desire to create....
I wouldn't say that...

 

Piotrsko

Legendary member
Dunno about tail heavy, but it definitely was stalling. If its bobbling, it is decently stable, typically one wingtip stalls before the other and it goes into an accelerated roll to inverted faster than an eye blink. Usually doesnt make back to flite as the ground interrupts the flight
 

AMMO193

Member
You have no experience making models, you only have the desire to create.... And you can't create yourself either, so you're asking for help. It might be worth looking at similar models on the Internet.Why would I advise you to move the engine closer to the nose if you don't understand why.. https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?1333878-**-Pics-with-links-to-600-plans-** - I love this site and have repeated many models. I make models with improvements based on my extensive experience.

No experience? I've made lots of planes and I've made and modified many of the plans I've found on the Internet, yes I've made lots of mistakes on the way and I've learned very well from those mistakes... Try to be more constructive and polite next time