Super Scout XL Questions Again

Masterguns

Member
(Sorry so long. Please don't flame me!)
Howdy, friends. As previously stated in one of more recent posts, I'm new to FT DTF based material for building from their plans. I come from the too expensive, evil world of the major brands of box stock EPO foamies from the likes of HH & FMS brands, et al. I've built a couple simple paperless Depron models from NumaVig & Julius Perdana on their Popular YT Channels. I wanted to start a separated thread specific to my questions to keep it simple for me. This one is being built from the FTCA plans. I need to check the tile index because I don't think some of the fuse & wing printed out. Silly me. So, anyways...

1) I don't really prefer the power pod system. What would you suggest for me to do to make just a firewall with an X mount for the motor? I'd incorporate a top hatch or similar for access to the motor, esc & battery systems, of course. No bottom battery feeder airframes for me! I'd need a suggestion on how far forward to & at what angle to glue it in because I'd like to but a 2" or so spinner on it. I reckon the weight differences would negligible without the power pod-or do I run the chance of CG conflicts? I want to put some sort of silly pilot in the cockpit, too. Paper tube rocket pods & machine guns would be pretty interesting to me, too.

2) Would there be any noticeable difference in flight characteristics if I made the wing's trailing edges straight as well as rounding off the top rear of the vertical stab? I've seen this in a few pics online, but no post flight report on performance. I have no trouble tracing & cutting out the scalloping, but it just seems off to my visual scanners without the common tail design of the vintage WWI fighters. Personal preference.

3) I've got a surplus electric motors that are roughly or the same size as the FT suggestion...Sunny Sky, Emax, FMS, Arrows Hobby, Eflite, Hobby Zone. Non-branded BlitzRCWorx/Banana Hobby & Hobby King. Maybe a few others. Even a bunch of large props collecting dust. While they are of no financial significance anymore, I wonder if I should still fork out the $80'ish dollars for the FT XL motor. I'm the regimented type & am prone to the (trap?) of going with any given brand's suggestions. Again, personal preference.

4) I have some pre-bent landing gear & large floats wire that look enticing to use as wire struts for the XL Scout & way too many different size & brand tires from. The float wire is a tad bit heavier & so would those hardened metal sheet that some pilots attach, hut I haven't calculated the thrust vs. weight ratio with the designed establish wing area & wing cube loading. I have a purpose built wire bender & the bolt cutters like cut like butter, but I don't know if I would tangle with the wires from the grounded models. The Eflite Apprentice looks to be large & sturdy enough if I devised a way to incorporate them into Josh's design. I reckon using the same wood sammich with a modified cut between the pieces to make it fit.

5) I guess finally-I have had some serious frustration issues in the past while looking for 3D parts for specific projects on Thingiverse(?), Cults3D & some other common one's I've since forgotten. I'm prolly not using the most specific terminology. Mentioning the accessories I mentioned in paragraph 1, I'd love to print something appropriately silly & time era engine type(s). I'm open for anything you might suggest. If it matters, I have an enclosed Bambu Labs P1S & a Creality Ender V3. Currently I do not have the knowledge or skill to design my own work with CAD for 3D.
~Also on that related topic. I have a new Creality 5w CR Laser. I found a free PDF House program to convert PDF to DXF, but I don't want to step on Josh's or FT toes if converting their intellectual property into a different format. If it's for personal use & not resale on my part, I would be ok? And, if so, Where's the best site to learn DTF or XPS/Depron closed cell foam & -5mm aircraft ply/hobby/craft grade birch or bass, whatever it's called?

Well, sorry for the long post. I didn't even have the attention span to write it. I just need a little dose of y'all's knowledge base to get me on the right track. Thank ya much & I pray you're well & having as much fun as can be had.

S/F,
Masterguns
 

AIRFORGE

Make It Fly!
Moderator
(Sorry so long. Please don't flame me!)
Howdy, friends. As previously stated in one of more recent posts, I'm new to FT DTF based material for building from their plans. I come from the too expensive, evil world of the major brands of box stock EPO foamies from the likes of HH & FMS brands, et al. I've built a couple simple paperless Depron models from NumaVig & Julius Perdana on their Popular YT Channels. I wanted to start a separated thread specific to my questions to keep it simple for me. This one is being built from the FTCA plans. I need to check the tile index because I don't think some of the fuse & wing printed out. Silly me. So, anyways...

1) I don't really prefer the power pod system. What would you suggest for me to do to make just a firewall with an X mount for the motor? I'd incorporate a top hatch or similar for access to the motor, esc & battery systems, of course. No bottom battery feeder airframes for me! I'd need a suggestion on how far forward to & at what angle to glue it in because I'd like to but a 2" or so spinner on it. I reckon the weight differences would negligible without the power pod-or do I run the chance of CG conflicts? I want to put some sort of silly pilot in the cockpit, too. Paper tube rocket pods & machine guns would be pretty interesting to me, too.

2) Would there be any noticeable difference in flight characteristics if I made the wing's trailing edges straight as well as rounding off the top rear of the vertical stab? I've seen this in a few pics online, but no post flight report on performance. I have no trouble tracing & cutting out the scalloping, but it just seems off to my visual scanners without the common tail design of the vintage WWI fighters. Personal preference.

3) I've got a surplus electric motors that are roughly or the same size as the FT suggestion...Sunny Sky, Emax, FMS, Arrows Hobby, Eflite, Hobby Zone. Non-branded BlitzRCWorx/Banana Hobby & Hobby King. Maybe a few others. Even a bunch of large props collecting dust. While they are of no financial significance anymore, I wonder if I should still fork out the $80'ish dollars for the FT XL motor. I'm the regimented type & am prone to the (trap?) of going with any given brand's suggestions. Again, personal preference.

4) I have some pre-bent landing gear & large floats wire that look enticing to use as wire struts for the XL Scout & way too many different size & brand tires from. The float wire is a tad bit heavier & so would those hardened metal sheet that some pilots attach, hut I haven't calculated the thrust vs. weight ratio with the designed establish wing area & wing cube loading. I have a purpose built wire bender & the bolt cutters like cut like butter, but I don't know if I would tangle with the wires from the grounded models. The Eflite Apprentice looks to be large & sturdy enough if I devised a way to incorporate them into Josh's design. I reckon using the same wood sammich with a modified cut between the pieces to make it fit.

5) I guess finally-I have had some serious frustration issues in the past while looking for 3D parts for specific projects on Thingiverse(?), Cults3D & some other common one's I've since forgotten. I'm prolly not using the most specific terminology. Mentioning the accessories I mentioned in paragraph 1, I'd love to print something appropriately silly & time era engine type(s). I'm open for anything you might suggest. If it matters, I have an enclosed Bambu Labs P1S & a Creality Ender V3. Currently I do not have the knowledge or skill to design my own work with CAD for 3D.
~Also on that related topic. I have a new Creality 5w CR Laser. I found a free PDF House program to convert PDF to DXF, but I don't want to step on Josh's or FT toes if converting their intellectual property into a different format. If it's for personal use & not resale on my part, I would be ok? And, if so, Where's the best site to learn DTF or XPS/Depron closed cell foam & -5mm aircraft ply/hobby/craft grade birch or bass, whatever it's called?

Well, sorry for the long post. I didn't even have the attention span to write it. I just need a little dose of y'all's knowledge base to get me on the right track. Thank ya much & I pray you're well & having as much fun as can be had.

S/F,
Masterguns
I can help with 2 things.
Yes. It is OK to convert plans FOR PERSONEL USE ONLY.
13th Squadron has a nice easily removable/accessible motor mount option. Snap Motor Mount, Side Guides
Although the mount is for 1/10th scale, it could possibly be used for XL with some modification.
 

Mr Man

Mr SPEED!
(Sorry so long. Please don't flame me!)
Howdy, friends. As previously stated in one of more recent posts, I'm new to FT DTF based material for building from their plans. I come from the too expensive, evil world of the major brands of box stock EPO foamies from the likes of HH & FMS brands, et al. I've built a couple simple paperless Depron models from NumaVig & Julius Perdana on their Popular YT Channels. I wanted to start a separated thread specific to my questions to keep it simple for me. This one is being built from the FTCA plans. I need to check the tile index because I don't think some of the fuse & wing printed out. Silly me. So, anyways...

1) I don't really prefer the power pod system. What would you suggest for me to do to make just a firewall with an X mount for the motor? I'd incorporate a top hatch or similar for access to the motor, esc & battery systems, of course. No bottom battery feeder airframes for me! I'd need a suggestion on how far forward to & at what angle to glue it in because I'd like to but a 2" or so spinner on it. I reckon the weight differences would negligible without the power pod-or do I run the chance of CG conflicts? I want to put some sort of silly pilot in the cockpit, too. Paper tube rocket pods & machine guns would be pretty interesting to me, too.

2) Would there be any noticeable difference in flight characteristics if I made the wing's trailing edges straight as well as rounding off the top rear of the vertical stab? I've seen this in a few pics online, but no post flight report on performance. I have no trouble tracing & cutting out the scalloping, but it just seems off to my visual scanners without the common tail design of the vintage WWI fighters. Personal preference.

3) I've got a surplus electric motors that are roughly or the same size as the FT suggestion...Sunny Sky, Emax, FMS, Arrows Hobby, Eflite, Hobby Zone. Non-branded BlitzRCWorx/Banana Hobby & Hobby King. Maybe a few others. Even a bunch of large props collecting dust. While they are of no financial significance anymore, I wonder if I should still fork out the $80'ish dollars for the FT XL motor. I'm the regimented type & am prone to the (trap?) of going with any given brand's suggestions. Again, personal preference.

4) I have some pre-bent landing gear & large floats wire that look enticing to use as wire struts for the XL Scout & way too many different size & brand tires from. The float wire is a tad bit heavier & so would those hardened metal sheet that some pilots attach, hut I haven't calculated the thrust vs. weight ratio with the designed establish wing area & wing cube loading. I have a purpose built wire bender & the bolt cutters like cut like butter, but I don't know if I would tangle with the wires from the grounded models. The Eflite Apprentice looks to be large & sturdy enough if I devised a way to incorporate them into Josh's design. I reckon using the same wood sammich with a modified cut between the pieces to make it fit.

5) I guess finally-I have had some serious frustration issues in the past while looking for 3D parts for specific projects on Thingiverse(?), Cults3D & some other common one's I've since forgotten. I'm prolly not using the most specific terminology. Mentioning the accessories I mentioned in paragraph 1, I'd love to print something appropriately silly & time era engine type(s). I'm open for anything you might suggest. If it matters, I have an enclosed Bambu Labs P1S & a Creality Ender V3. Currently I do not have the knowledge or skill to design my own work with CAD for 3D.
~Also on that related topic. I have a new Creality 5w CR Laser. I found a free PDF House program to convert PDF to DXF, but I don't want to step on Josh's or FT toes if converting their intellectual property into a different format. If it's for personal use & not resale on my part, I would be ok? And, if so, Where's the best site to learn DTF or XPS/Depron closed cell foam & -5mm aircraft ply/hobby/craft grade birch or bass, whatever it's called?

Well, sorry for the long post. I didn't even have the attention span to write it. I just need a little dose of y'all's knowledge base to get me on the right track. Thank ya much & I pray you're well & having as much fun as can be had.

S/F,
Masterguns
2: in a plane like this, you wouldn’t really see any difference in performance. You only really start to see it when you’re going 100+mph or doing 3d.
3: No, you don’t need the exact motor, just a similar one. (As long as it is within the motor’s specs to spin that prop)
4: I’m pretty sure those would work just fine.
5ish: I’m pretty used to using thingiverse, you could also try searching in “scout XL” or “FT Scout Xl” and see what comes up. @Spitfire76 has printed a lot of parts in the past, he might be able to help you find the right ones.
 

Masterguns

Member
Resurrecting this thread with a new interrogative: Would anyone of you outstanding gents happen to know the approximate scale of the Super Scout XL? It's considered fun scale, but I would like the approximated scale since I have nothing to really compare it to so I can do the proper calculations. I'm wanting to 3D print a pilot & want it to look proportionate. I know...pretty petty to some, but I'm a tad bit !!!! retentive about such things. Thanks. Hope y'all are well. Peace.

Best regards,
Masterguns
 

Houndpup Rc

Legendary member
Resurrecting this thread with a new interrogative: Would anyone of you outstanding gents happen to know the approximate scale of the Super Scout XL? It's considered fun scale, but I would like the approximated scale since I have nothing to really compare it to so I can do the proper calculations. I'm wanting to 3D print a pilot & want it to look proportionate. I know...pretty petty to some, but I'm a tad bit !!!! retentive about such things. Thanks. Hope y'all are well. Peace.

Best regards,
Masterguns
According to ChatGPT its 1:6 to 1:6.25 scale (y)
 

Masterguns

Member
Thanks, gents. I do the calculation by finding an actual aircraft span in feet. Example is 40' even. Divide 40x12 & you get 480". Example of the model's span is 70". 480 ÷ 70 is 6.8571, or 1/6 or 1/7. You could go either way, perhaps depending if you use commercially ordered part that have to be an exact scale in some cases. Not a huge deal unless you're being judged in a competition.

Nonetheless, I'm sure there are other mathematical methods I'm not aware of, and, since the Scout is a "fun scale" model with no existing full size plane to make a comparison to, I wouldn't which calcs to make the most fitting size pilot bust to 3D print where it wouldn't look too to wonky to my brain housing group. A genuine thanks to for following along & responding so quickly to this Marine whose had too many bell rings to the noggin.

Many blessings to you & yours,
Masterguns
 

Houndpup Rc

Legendary member
Thanks, gents. I do the calculation by finding an actual aircraft span in feet. Example is 40' even. Divide 40x12 & you get 480". Example of the model's span is 70". 480 ÷ 70 is 6.8571, or 1/6 or 1/7. You could go either way, perhaps depending if you use commercially ordered part that have to be an exact scale in some cases. Not a huge deal unless you're being judged in a competition.

Nonetheless, I'm sure there are other mathematical methods I'm not aware of, and, since the Scout is a "fun scale" model with no existing full size plane to make a comparison to, I wouldn't which calcs to make the most fitting size pilot bust to 3D print where it wouldn't look too to wonky to my brain housing group. A genuine thanks to for following along & responding so quickly to this Marine whose had too many bell rings to the noggin.

Many blessings to you & yours,
Masterguns
Its supposed to be after a WWi era plane 👍
 

Houndpup Rc

Legendary member
Ya, I get that, but again, I don't have any WWI wingspans to use for the calculation to get the scale or, at least, approximate scale to use to 3D print an appropriately sized pilot bust to fly the plane & perform his scouting & recon duties to report back to higher-higher at HQ.

Thanks!
Masterguns
Don't quote me on it but I think they ranged from 30-40 ft...