JGplanes--You now can say the "White Diamond" goes well using a cheap 64 mm EDF's. I have about 6 flights behind me exploring the TV nozzle. Had about a 3-5mph wind and I was able to windsurf in front of me. Also I flipped it in about 3 plane lengths and tried some flat spins. Don't know its limits yet, but thank you for permission to explore a new area. Now have 2 versions to play with.