Who's commented on Remote ID?

FoamyDM

Building Fool-Flying Noob
Moderator
Yep. I went across the street to the local ball fields and was flying my quad one morning. I had a sheriff pull in and spot me, and he came out of his car, saw me, and said, "Sir, I need to make you aware that there's a park rule that says you are not allowed to fly model aircraft. Were you aware of this?"

"No, sir, I wasn't aware of that. Let me just land, and I will be glad to pack up."

"Ehh, I don't really care. You're flying when NOBODY else is here, at 7 in the morning, you're not doing anything harmful, your aircraft isn't noisy; I'd just as soon let you continue flying. But there is a rule posted that says you can't technically fly model aircraft here, so I just wanted to make you aware."

He was actually really polite, and he could've written me a ticket; I'm glad I didn't have him giving me a hard time. But he was right; I needed to be aware of where I could safely fly without violating established rules.
That seems to be the common Police response to this kind of thing. And if you respond in kind it all works. According to the FAA only withing 400 ft of yourself.
I managed that this week end. with a 4.5' trainer. and I have to say this is pretty challenging. And for my next trick I will fly under the bleachers.
 

BS projects inc.

Elite member
My comment:

My name is Charles Pumphrey, and I am writing to elaborate on how Remote Identification of Unmanned Aircraft Systems would have deterred me from entering the hobby. Four years ago I was halfway through my freshman year in high-school and had little to no interest in what was going on in school. Although I was getting good grades, I felt no real sense of accomplishment and I was unsure of what I wanted to do after high-school. It was around this time that I was introduced to model aviation, and the wonderful places it could lead me. After four years of designing, building, flying, and crashing model airplanes, I have developed a powerful passion for aviation, and I plan on studying aeronautical engineering in college. In fact, two months from now I will know which college pathway will lead me towards a career as a naval officer pilot. Two weeks ago I was accepted into Purdue's NROTC program on the national scholarship, and in two months I will find out if I have been selected for the Naval Academy. Both of these options involve me becoming a naval officer pilot and studying aeronautical engineering. However, had the Remote Identification of Unmanned Aircraft Systems rule been implemented when I first entered the hobby, my experience with model aviation would have been severely degraded, and the chances of me considering aviation as a career pathway would have been slim. I understand that the airspace around us is going to exhibit major changes in the next few decades, but in a world where there are fewer and fewer pilots to meet the rising demand, I believe that every pathway into the career needs to be nourished and taken care of. I first got into the hobby through Flite Test's DTFB airplanes. These airplanes are made out of Dollar Tree Foam Board, more specifically Adams ready board, and common household materials. The cost of air-frames come out to under 10$ and because of the inexpensive nature of the air-frame, I was able to enter the hobby with a feeling of financial security. Another element of DTFB airplanes that appealed to me is that are quick to repair, and easy to build. Over the last few years I have enjoyed building and flying model airplanes with my dad on our family farm, but this experience would have been withered by the requirements laid out in the proposed rule. Having to travel to an FAA approved airfield to fly would have deterred both my father and I from getting into the hobby. Being able to fly alongside my dad over a gorgeous wheat field at sunset right behind our house is what created some of the most precious memories I have in the hobby. Because of the destructive nature of the proposed rule, I strongly urge the FAA to consider other options such as an app based solution. An app based solution works alongside the type of flying I do, and I along with many model aviation pilots would have no issue working with a timely, app based solution. I understand that the airspace around us is changing, however, I hope that my comment urges the FAA to find a solution that works for all users of airspace. Thankyou for your time -Charles Pumphrey
 

CarolineTyler

Legendary member
I wish i had seen this thread and subscribed... this is well put comment. Thank you Caroline. Where are the UK rules currently?
It's line of sight flying, keeping 150m from large groups of people, 50m from smaller groups, registration number of operator (owner) on >250gm aircraft. 120m height above take off point for quads and planes unless you are a member of a recognised body (BMFA/LMA etc) where the height limit is not in place.
https://rcc.bmfa.uk/
 

FoamyDM

Building Fool-Flying Noob
Moderator
Thank you @CarolineTyler . @BS projects inc. - that is an well written response.

Ok - this wasn't as helpful, but technically it is outside the comment period. I wanted to see if it went in. Your Comment Tracking Number: 1k4-9fce-41oj
My Comment #4:
I build, design and fly foam craft from 6" to 10' wingspans along the racing quadcopters and small helicopters. One of the safest airborne recreations possible.​
Screw you for taking my daily enjoyment away to make $$.​
The 400' bubble compliance method is not large enough and the LAANC system worked well. it would inform all who care, where to look at for low flying model aircraft.​
Is it like spaceballs for the FAA and the politicians? "We're not doing this for money! We're doing it for a $h!tload of money"​
It did... here's my (hopefully more productive) thought... KEEP Putting in meaningful comments!
 

LitterBug

Techno Nut
Moderator
That seems to be the common Police response to this kind of thing. And if you respond in kind it all works. According to the FAA only withing 400 ft of yourself.
I managed that this week end. with a 4.5' trainer. and I have to say this is pretty challenging. And for my next trick I will fly under the bleachers.

I should enable a 400' geofence on my Strix stratosurfer just for giggles. Some high alpha flying would be required to do much other than cirlces. I was looking at my FPV feed from a flight where I was well within the boundaries of my local AMA field and was still > 600' with plenty of space to go. I was joking yesterday with our safety officer that we are going to have to change the way we mow and where we have our flight stations to better optimize our ability to stay with that 400' circle. In my comment to the FAA, I compared it to requiring all 747s to take off and land from 1000' grass strips.

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Those silos... well within line of site, further than 400'.

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I know, preaching to the Choir right. Just trying to look at this from a realistic perspective.

Cheers!
LitterBug
 

cranialrectosis

Faster than a speeding face plant!
Mentor
Please remember - The politicians are the reason for the Mandate for Remote ID regulations on UASs

I'm not sure about that.

Are the politicians driving this or is the FAA, fueled by the media? Remember the vaping thing and how vaping was going to be banned until it was pointed out that people dying from vaping weren't using legal products? The vaping ban that was consuming congress was fueled by the MSM and half-truths (sound familiar). Yes, some new restrictions were passed but the ban failed because people banded together across political lines to create a buzz on social media in an election year. I suspect some of those restrictions will also be eventually lifted once the science comes out.

This is a VERY political year and I am not hearing about our hobby in the issues. There is no social media buzz outside our forums and this worries me.

I'm not saying, don't comment.

I am saying that a low comment number doesn't necessarily mean people aren't interested. It may also indicate fear of the FAA after Gatwick.

I am also suggesting we contact our representatives because that is how our government is designed to function.
 

BATTLEAXE

Legendary member
There is no social media buzz outside our forums and this worries me.
To the contrary there is a lot of buzz on the topic on YouTube. Anybody who is anybody in the hobby on YT has made at least one video on the subject. There have been numerous collaboration videos between these known channels. Some have even been producing content since this whole issue was raised. Bruce Simpson just released a video of his comment where he is a representative of all his subscribers to the tune of 400,000 people. AMA's official comment has also represented it's members as well. It's not like this hobby is akin to a quiet quilting club that is all but ignored. There is some real value in numbers of comments, but to be well represented on our behalf by prominent figures and professionals in the hobby has a lot of weight as well. The fight the FPVFC, FTCA, Xjet, Josh Bardwell, etc, and many others will be recognized. The number of comments can't be used as the final tally of interest in the NPRM, its not a real number. Most of us have put in multiple comments, for arguments sake then, cut that number in half. Some of the comments are not structured in a political manner based entirely on emotion. That may account for 30-40%. Take that away as well. Is Facebook or Twitter a good place for a social media platform, will that be recognized as a viable stage to take comments seriously? Awareness needs to be promoted, but the argument needs to valid and well positioned as well
 

LitterBug

Techno Nut
Moderator
I will have my wife and her Cricut make a sticker for my rear window that says:
I fly RC Aircraft and I VOTE!
that also has a little plane too.

NICE! I'm thinking about building a foamboard body for my car too.. ;-D Maybe add a big taper on the back to decrease drag. Should work well with the perpetual regenerative gassing that has already been implemented.

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EDIT: FYI... I need to add a wing rack on the roof. it is IMPOSSIBLE to load my Surfer 2000 without complete disassembly. (pretty much any wing other than the nano goblin and nano skyhunter for that matter)
 
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cranialrectosis

Faster than a speeding face plant!
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Anybody who is anybody in the hobby on YT

Respectfully, IMO this is the issue.

The proposed vaping ban wasn't based on science. It was based on fear and propelled by a media intent on retaining relevance in a changing world. I think the same is happening here.

They went after vapers because they thought no one would stand up for them and they would be an easy target. Everyone knows vaping is bad. Everyone knows drones are bad. Only 'deplorable' people would stand up for such activities... It's for the safety of our children...

My wife talked about the 'I vape and I vote' thing after watching the news. It was a well orchestrated, disciplined 'redress of grievances' and made enough splash to get outside its own echo chamber and be talked about as controversial on the TV news. Minds were changed. Politicians who were once totally for a ban, converted to a much more passive stance.

Preaching to the choir on our own youtube channels doesn't win converts. Our message needs to get outside of our own little world or we will be drowned out by the maelstrom of people all trying to get the feds to listen to their specific issue.

To be clear, I do NOT condone harassing anyone. Shouting at reps with a bullhorn at dinner or after hours at their home is counterproductive and wrong.

IMO our message needs to be poignant and sane and respectful and much louder than we are now. Youtube alone won't save the day.

IMO we need allies outside our close knit world and a buzz that my 90 year old mom will see on TV and say, 'Hey, that doesn't sound like the FAA is doing the right thing.'. I wanna hear Bixler on Rush Limbaugh and Sripol on The Young Turks at the same time and with a message that resonates with both crowds.

We need parents to think the FAA is stealing a chuck glider out of a stunned 10 year old boy's hands. We need people to see how the FAA is telling little girls learning to solder how this hobby is bad for them and that they need to stop learning STEM so they don't 'accidentally poke someone's eye out' with a paper airplane.

Without the non-RC flying public behind us, our cause is likely to be lost.

IMO we need a bigger idea. We need something national or international that makes a splash and we need it this year, an election year.
 
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cranialrectosis

Faster than a speeding face plant!
Mentor
I think FliteTest needs to work with Google Maps to get Furey field captured during Flite Fest

I'd like to see a few political candidates schmoozing, shaking hands and kissing babies at FliteFest.

Think of the optics where your representatives can be seen rolling up their sleeves and working with Mid-West kids to build the STEM future of America!


Sorry for the buzz word bingo... I talk to lawyers and suits for a living...
 

LitterBug

Techno Nut
Moderator
I'd like to see a few political candidates schmoozing, shaking hands and kissing babies at FliteFest.

Think of the optics where your representatives can be seen rolling up their sleeves and working with Mid-West kids to build the STEM future of America!


Sorry for the buzz word bingo... I talk to lawyers and suits for a living...

I know they recently met with our Ohio Senators. Wonder if they extended an invitation for them to come to FliteFest?
 

sprzout

Knower of useless information
Mentor
To the contrary there is a lot of buzz on the topic on YouTube. Anybody who is anybody in the hobby on YT has made at least one video on the subject. There have been numerous collaboration videos between these known channels. Some have even been producing content since this whole issue was raised. Bruce Simpson just released a video of his comment where he is a representative of all his subscribers to the tune of 400,000 people. AMA's official comment has also represented it's members as well. It's not like this hobby is akin to a quiet quilting club that is all but ignored. There is some real value in numbers of comments, but to be well represented on our behalf by prominent figures and professionals in the hobby has a lot of weight as well. The fight the FPVFC, FTCA, Xjet, Josh Bardwell, etc, and many others will be recognized. The number of comments can't be used as the final tally of interest in the NPRM, its not a real number. Most of us have put in multiple comments, for arguments sake then, cut that number in half. Some of the comments are not structured in a political manner based entirely on emotion. That may account for 30-40%. Take that away as well. Is Facebook or Twitter a good place for a social media platform, will that be recognized as a viable stage to take comments seriously? Awareness needs to be promoted, but the argument needs to valid and well positioned as well

Well, we have a president who lives on Twitter and tells the country his political stances on a lot of things, so I think that people will take it as a "viable" stage, even if social media is something of a morass.

It doesn't really matter what your political stance is, people use FB and Twitter to blast their stances and issues out to the world, and people pay more attention to that than you'd think, whether it's right or wrong...
 

sprzout

Knower of useless information
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To your earlier point, put us on the map... :)

It's harder to fear a group of people after you built and flown a homemade, paper airplane with their kids.

It's the personal relationships that matter.

I invited multiple Senators and Representatives to come out to our flying field and see what we do, and how we are not threatening in any way to the public. Nobody took us up on it, unfortunately, but it might be time to throw this out again...