It's been a saying in aviation for a long time. Probably originated from some hangar chat between pilots.
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It's been a saying in aviation for a long time. Probably originated from some hangar chat between pilots.
Passworthy
Which shall it be?
Finished my Baron Saturday night, maidened it on Sunday. Flew 4 packs. In 10-15 mph wind. It is an awesome little plane. Probably 2 rolls/second, 180 degree turn in about 3 wingspans' width! After I pulled a couple of very tight loops, a fellow club member commented that cutting your own streamer doesn't count! 
(My club is going to do some streamer combat, and the BB will be my "weapon". I have a feeling I will not enjoy fighting as much as just flying it around.)
Passworthy
(My club is going to do some streamer combat, and the BB will be my "weapon". I have a feeling I will not enjoy fighting as much as just flying it around.)
Passworthy
Finished my Baron Saturday night, maidened it on Sunday. Flew 4 packs. In 10-15 mph wind. It is an awesome little plane. Probably 2 rolls/second, 180 degree turn in about 3 wingspans' width! After I pulled a couple of very tight loops, a fellow club member commented that cutting your own streamer doesn't count!
(My club is going to do some streamer combat, and the BB will be my "weapon". I have a feeling I will not enjoy fighting as much as just flying it around.)
Passworthy
Thanks for posting your experience here. Did you get the SBK or scratch build? Any chance you can post a picture or 2? pictures from you club combat would be awesome to see as well.
Passworthy
Which shall it be?
It was the speed build kit. In my hands, it was just a build kit, not much speed involved.
I will snap a couple of pics and post tomorrow.
Combat hasn't happened yet. Hopefully someone will record that. Have to admit I'm a little nervous about it.
Passworthy
P.S. I probably overestimated the BB's roll rate, but it's more than 1/sec.
I will snap a couple of pics and post tomorrow.
Combat hasn't happened yet. Hopefully someone will record that. Have to admit I'm a little nervous about it.
Passworthy
P.S. I probably overestimated the BB's roll rate, but it's more than 1/sec.
Passworthy
Which shall it be?
Here are some pics:
Passworthy
Which shall it be?
Thanks. By the way, here's the equipment:
* GForce E400 2212-1250kv motor
http://www.valuehobby.com/power-sys...outrunner-airplane/e400-1250kv-outrunner.html
* APC 8 x 4 prop, now a GWS 9 x 5 (haven't flown this yet)
* 3s 1000mah battery
* 30 amp ESC from long departed Hobbypeople EF-16 EDF
* Towerpro MG90S servos. I changed the location of the elevator servo, as you can see. Also used thicker rod for linkage.
http://www.towerpro.com.tw/product/mg90s-3/
* Spektrum AR400 rx
http://spektrumrc.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=SPMAR400
* GForce E400 2212-1250kv motor
http://www.valuehobby.com/power-sys...outrunner-airplane/e400-1250kv-outrunner.html
* APC 8 x 4 prop, now a GWS 9 x 5 (haven't flown this yet)
* 3s 1000mah battery
* 30 amp ESC from long departed Hobbypeople EF-16 EDF
* Towerpro MG90S servos. I changed the location of the elevator servo, as you can see. Also used thicker rod for linkage.
http://www.towerpro.com.tw/product/mg90s-3/
* Spektrum AR400 rx
http://spektrumrc.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=SPMAR400
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donalson
Active member
*er I just noticed this is the baron not the brit page...* doh
I built mine, crashed it in some high winds with a hard nose in landing and then rebuilt it... got the re-maiden it today and it is an amazing flyer... high rates are zoom zoom and low rates are nice and smooth...
for my nose I killed it pretty bad... I ended up gluing together the walls and adding an outside doubler (tripler?) and some popcicle sticks to give it some strength... also added an extra layer up top after replacing the lower fold over and the original top.... all said she weighs in at 380g ready to fly minus lipo
I built mine, crashed it in some high winds with a hard nose in landing and then rebuilt it... got the re-maiden it today and it is an amazing flyer... high rates are zoom zoom and low rates are nice and smooth...
for my nose I killed it pretty bad... I ended up gluing together the walls and adding an outside doubler (tripler?) and some popcicle sticks to give it some strength... also added an extra layer up top after replacing the lower fold over and the original top.... all said she weighs in at 380g ready to fly minus lipo
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Way to keep her flying. That's what it's all about. And when all the foam is used up in this one, you can build a new one. Love this material for that very reason. Keep on flying for a couple dollars and a few hours of your time.
donalson
Active member
i can say I'm really impressed with how resilient and easy to fix it is... i'm sure I would have walked away much earlier with the original bloody wonder fuselage... the front wing edges and nose seem to take all the beating and because of how the wings are built it just makes the wing tips a bit fatter... I def plan on having a bloody something in my quiver as long as I'm flying... although next time I'll prob do a full 4 channel...
so once again good plans spoonz
so once again good plans spoonz
mrjdstewart
Legendary member
i gotta ask about your spinner. i have printed 3 of them so far and all have died almost instantly upon spin up. the last one i printed in ABS, highest quality print the 3D printer could handle. it was beautiful and i thought for sure i had it whooped. it made it almost 1/2 way down the runway before catastrophic failure. what am i doing wrong?
thanks,
me
thanks,
me
i gotta ask about your spinner. i have printed 3 of them so far and all have died almost instantly upon spin up. the last one i printed in ABS, highest quality print the 3D printer could handle. it was beautiful and i thought for sure i had it whooped. it made it almost 1/2 way down the runway before catastrophic failure. what am i doing wrong?
thanks,
me
I make all of mine from PLA, and they are holding up fine. What settings are you printing with?
If you use anything other than the Flite Test C Pack motor for your Baron/Brit/Wonder MkIII, please share with the group what your favorite power setup is, and what kind of flight times you are getting with it. Thanks.
My go to setup was: NTM Propdrive 2830 1100kv; 30 amp ESC; 2200 mAh 3S; APC 9 x 6 prop.
I usually get about 8 minutes of mixed flying with that setup.
My go to setup was: NTM Propdrive 2830 1100kv; 30 amp ESC; 2200 mAh 3S; APC 9 x 6 prop.
I usually get about 8 minutes of mixed flying with that setup.
danskis
Master member
I'm a little late to the party and this is my first post. Just started flying 9 months ago with a foam Bixler -> Versa Wing (1) fail -> Versa Wing (2) :<) - Spitfire :</ and now the Bloody Baron. Maiden on the Baron was sketchy with 15% Expo but after a lawn dart from 50 feet, a new prop and 30% expo made it fly great. I've developed a relatively crash proof firewall - bbq skewers in all for corners of the fuselage running back full lengths - similar to nerdnic's but use them full length. I also double the firewall and put popsicle sticks across the fuselage top and bottom. Had the Versa Wing fuselage go in from 100 with no damage. My Baron setup is a RCTimer 2830 (http://rctimer.com/?product-120.html) with a 9X6 prop - 1500 turnigy 35-70 C and a whole bunch of downthrust on my custom fuselage. I call it the Dreamsicle - I'll put a skin on the second one.
Flys awesome...Me likey!!!! I do have one minor problem in that it wags its tail sideways back and forth. I'm thinking my custom rudder may be a little small?
Marty72
Elite member
I'm dragging this old post back up. Bad weather and an extra C pack motor got me on this build. I haven't read all 22 pages of this thread, so maybe I've reinvented the wheel, but I made a few minor changes based on the issue some folks had with getting the battery inside the fuse, with proper balance.
Sponz, this looks like a great design, super simple.
This is the simplest, fastest and yet still very sturdy scratch build I've done. I can see how this would be a great combat plane, not a lot of time invested in building, replacement is quick and easy. I eliminated the power pod and just built the firewall inside the Baron. This opens up all sorts of space. I read that the battery needs to be all the way forward to balance, so I went 3 channel (no rudder) and tried to put as much weight forward as possible during the build. I added a shelf on the underside to sit the battery on (with velcro) after finding the balance point. I'll tweak the shelf and velcro after the maiden as needed.
Specs FT C pack motor (2218 1180kv), 9x6 prop, 1300 or maybe 2200 battery. The plane AUW (w/o battery) is 367 grams.
I look forward to the maiden. I just rebuilt my Scout again, so it's been WW I week.
Sponz, this looks like a great design, super simple.
This is the simplest, fastest and yet still very sturdy scratch build I've done. I can see how this would be a great combat plane, not a lot of time invested in building, replacement is quick and easy. I eliminated the power pod and just built the firewall inside the Baron. This opens up all sorts of space. I read that the battery needs to be all the way forward to balance, so I went 3 channel (no rudder) and tried to put as much weight forward as possible during the build. I added a shelf on the underside to sit the battery on (with velcro) after finding the balance point. I'll tweak the shelf and velcro after the maiden as needed.
Specs FT C pack motor (2218 1180kv), 9x6 prop, 1300 or maybe 2200 battery. The plane AUW (w/o battery) is 367 grams.
I look forward to the maiden. I just rebuilt my Scout again, so it's been WW I week.
Very clean looking build. Love the mods. Nice job! Good luck with the maiden.
Check out the SideWinder (link in signature) for the next generation combat plane in this series.
Marty72
Elite member
Thanks! Yeah, just looked at the plans. Yep, definitely next generation, more refined. Looks like you made the cg more central and finished the plane with a bottom cover, firewall and a battery box. Wing area and weight nearly identical. Looks to be as easy if not easier to build due to all the straight lines when cutting. Do they fly different?
They fly very similar, intentionally. The Baron, Brit and SideWinder share about 80% of the same DNA. Wanted to keep them very close so that they are all equally matched in combat.
