When do you just throw something away? (ESC)

defhermit

Member
Heyo!

I think I've diagnosed my first-purchased ESC as faulty. It no longer starts the motor, you can just hear it chirping away when I throttle up. It can actually spin up the motor successfully if I give it a little help twist. My (completely uninformed) diagnosis is that one of the three leads is not firing anymore, so if helped the other 2 WILL keep it spinning but never with the full strength.

Hooking another ESC up to the same motor results in no problems whatsoever, so I do think the problem is in the ESC. It's a BLHeli 20 amp ESC that came with my "B" power pod option that I purchased with my swappable pack initially.

Strangely, I just had this ESC "repaired" by attaching a new bullet connector after the original one had gotte yanked off somehow. Although I'm fairly confident the repair itself went without a problem, the problem persists. Note: I could be totally misdiagnosing this.

So, assuming I'm correct in the above description, what do I do with this ESC? Is there any way to repair this kind of thing? Is it safe to throw in the trash?

What do you do with an (in all likelihood) broken ESC?
 

Timmy P

Member
My first esc got cooked by a to big of motor. So I now use it to power my servo tester, and use it to power a receiver to make final adjustments on the bench so I don't have to take props off and stuff. It still has use if it still provides 5volts
 

ZoomNBoom

Senior Member
If the bullet connector got yanked off 'somehow', then that solder joint was no good and it would certainly explain the behavior you described. The ESC itself is probably just fine. To be safe, remove the heatshrink and redo all the wiring.
 

defhermit

Member
Allow me to explain. After seeing this same behavior on the field one day last week I took it home. After unplugging it from the motor I checked each of the bullets by giving it a little tug and found that one popped easily off. 'Ah ha!' I thought. This was surely my problem. So not knowing how to solder yet I took it to a hobby shop and paid them to do it, to just replace that bullet connector.

I've now received it back and although there is no discernible problem with any of the connectors, I'm seeing the same results. Chirps, and I can start it with some help.

YeahI guess all I can do is just check all the connectors. Maybe soldering should be my weekend goal.
 

Timmy P

Member
Hey yea definitely get your self some soldering equipment if you plan on being in the hobby.. You just need a cheap $23 soldering iron. A roll of solder. I use what ever I can find.. Right now I have .050" size solder. And its 63/37 rosin core. Also get yourself a "third hand" tool with clips to hold stuff for you. It will cost you about 35 bucks to get started but will save you so much time and money doing it yourself. Its just part of the hobby so you mine as well get the tools.. And I cant stress how stupid easy it is to solder stuff.. Seriously if you can dot the i with a pencil you have the coordination to use a soldering iron.. you can find countless how to videos on Youtube. Here is my super simple and cheap setup.. that has gotten me by for years. And I solder everything from tiny PCBs in my pinball machine to Deans batter connectors and everything in between.. Maybe Ill make a how to video some day..

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Pancho

New member
I'm glad you figured out it was the esc. You really should take the time to learn to solder, it is not that difficult. Watch a few you tube videos and get a third hand tool or two, as holding your stuff is the hardest part of soldering. To solder bullet connectors, an easy way is to drill shallow holes in a 2x4 or any scrap wood that the bullet connects fit part way into. A decent soldering iron is fairly cheap. Your first few solders will be buggars and you get stuff too hot, but the skill comes very quickly.

As far as the esc, obviously using it for actual flight is not a good idea. You might be able to fix it, but for under $10? you can replace it. Just make a box of bad electronics. You may never need them, and eventually just drop them off at a recycling place.

Do not throw it in the trash. Most cities have recycling days a couple times a year, and usually have an electronics group. You can usually call your land fill and they will often have info on recycling centers/options.
 

Snarls

Gravity Tester
Mentor
You could always keep it and use it as a BEC if you ever need one. Also who knows, maybe one day when you become really experienced with the hobby/electronics you will be able to find and fix the problem easily. At the very least keep it to salvage wires, components, etc off it one day.
 
I never throw anything away but my wife says I'm a bit of a hoarder LOL. You never know when you might need it. I always tend to find a use for some things down the line, and if not I just end up giving it away after all one mans trash is another mans treasure. Also I would try what ZoomNBoom said, cut of the heat shrink and look at where the wires connect to the esc chances are you have a cold joint, or just no connection at all. Worth a try worse thing that can happen is you fry an already bad ESC.
 

LooseBruce

Senior Member
Flux it UP!

Hey yea definitely get your self some soldering equipment if you plan on being in the hobby.. You just need a cheap $23 soldering iron. A roll of solder. I use what ever I can find.. Right now I have .050" size solder. And its 63/37 rosin core. Also get yourself a "third hand" tool with clips to hold stuff for you. It will cost you about 35 bucks to get started but will save you so much time and money doing it yourself. Its just part of the hobby so you mine as well get the tools.. And I cant stress how stupid easy it is to solder stuff.. Seriously if you can dot the i with a pencil you have the coordination to use a soldering iron.. you can find countless how to videos on Youtube. Here is my super simple and cheap setup.. that has gotten me by for years. And I solder everything from tiny PCBs in my pinball machine to Deans batter connectors and everything in between.. Maybe Ill make a how to video some day..

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Another component to add to your soldering set up is FLUX. Most any kind will work. You only need a very small amount.I soldered electronics for other hobbies for many years without it....
After I tried using some I never went back to soldering without using flux. It is SOOOO much easier and better joints are made.
LooseBruce
 

ProfessorFate

Active member
Hope you have not bought your solder station yet, get one like this.

Circuit Specialists have this solder station here for $33, very similar to the TrakPower TK 950 that I bought for $70

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/station-60.html

When I first used it, I really enjoyed soldering some ESCs and batts with this rather than the old dual heat radio shack station I used for so many years.

I hope this one comes with a nickle tip like mine, they last and will last longer if you keep your iron on low heat (400) until you are ready to make your joint, then turn it up to about 700 or 800 deg F and make your joint fast, I like to solder the joints faster with high heat, so you don't stay on the part too long and heat up the rest of the component too much.

Keep your iron on low heat so you don't burn up the tip too quickly, so it will last longer.
When the plating gets burned off, don't start filing, but get another tip and clean it with a wet sponge instead of beating it on something.

Having a hi quality nickle tip ( don't sand or file ) is really important. The cheaper plated tips and copper tips are not something I like to use anymore.

Leonard


CSpec link was found in "what should one look for for in a soldering iron?"

http://forum.flitetest.com/showthread.php?18083-what-should-one-look-for-for-in-a-soldering-iron
 
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ProfessorFate

Active member
Hi
Youtube is very good for this but let me try to describe doing a good job on a joint.

Solder, the best is 60/40, from when electronics began long ago, 60% tin 40% lead, people on a certain electronics forum I have been following, that like to build hi quality amplifiers and such, prefer 60/40 as opposed to the new solder that has no lead or a reduced amount of lead because of the higher quality of the joint that can be made with 60/40.

It's a health choice if you are concerned, about lead, if you prefer, you can choose to use the newer, safer stuff too.

Stuff to have for this: Solder Station, solder, electronic solder flux ( not the acid based stuff ), assortment of heat shrink for different size wires joints you would make ( quit using electrical tape for this ), 3rd hand helping hand, opt extras for later on: solder sucker and solder wick to remove solder, Cen-tech digital multimeter cheap $3 - $10 harbor freight ( for safe use only with lo voltage hobby stuff -- they don't make these as good and safe as a Fluke for higher voltages, but ok for hobby uses )

Look at the connector you are soldering to, is it made from a material that will hold up to a lot of heat like mylar/ceramic, or is it something that will melt easily if the iron is held on the connector for very long. Those cheap Deans knockoffs are made from plastic and melt and deform easily ( I have heard reviews, they are not a good alt to original Deans Connectors ), you would want to tin the wire and make a very quick solder joint with a high heat, so the connector would not melt. Sounds funny I guess, but if you have your iron on low and sit on the connector, it takes longer than if it were hotter, and you melt the connector.

In electronics, to protect transistors, we connect alligator clips to stop the heat from travelling up the leg to the device and burning it out. When making connections like wire to xt60, seems we cannot do this, so you just have to be fast making the joint with a high heat.

In my example, I choose some of the less than ideal conditions, to show you something about how to handle certain issues.

I have some old wire I want to use that is still good but has some corrosion on the ends, so I'll trim it back to where there is no corrosion so the solder will bond good.

When you trim back the insulation, don't cut into the wire as that weakens the wire. I see many people do this and ignore what they did and continue. It might be ok to just melt the insulation a little where it can be pulled off, I just always make an extra careful effort not to nick the wire because that weakens it.

Before the joint is soldered, cut a piece of heat shrink that would cover the bullet and any exposed wire plus 1/4 inch more for good measure. Slip this over and down the wire away from the heat so you can slip it over the joint that will be made.

Now the mention of solder flux is very good, get some and dab the end of the wire in the flux. If you expect trouble with a wire taking solder, apply the iron to the wire and heat the flux on it some, maybe dab in the flux again. Now with your hot solder iron on about 800 deg F ( get one of those great solder stations with analog controllable heat ) and your pieces held in place by your "3rd hand or helping hands" device or in the drilled out hole of 2x4 if it's like a bullet connector, first, lay the wire down or hold it with 3rd hand, tin the iron with solder ( flux makes solder stick better to the joint and to the wire you would be tinning ), now put the iron to the wire and heat it and apply the solder to the hot wire which should melt the solder. At this point I do cheat a lot and just put the solder on the iron and get it on the wire, using the solder to kind of conduct the heat over if the wire itself resists the solder. You should make or see the solder "wick" into the wire strands. This is tinning the end of the wire that you will next put inside the bullet connector. Make sure the solder wicks into the strands of wire all the way around and about 1/4 inch. Sometimes, if I got too much solder on there, on the wood board I would be working on, I kind of flick off the excess solder. Hopefully the end is tinned and the strands are bundled tightly together, not frayed apart.

Now this would be tinned and ready to be soldered to either a bullet conn or xt60 or deans connector.

Let me switch this to the idea of connecting to a deans connector,because it does not have the hole an xt60 or bullit connector has, it has a flat surface that usually comes clean enough you do not need to tin this, you can if you want but some connectors cannot take that much heat and melt and deform so if they are clean and look like they will easily take solder then I would say just put the deans in a 3rd hand clip or vise and hold the wire with the other 3rd hand where it stays by itself against the terminal you solder to. This is important because so many people make bad joints by applying solder and then removing heat but they sometimes move the joint before it cools and solidifies ( when this happens, you can see a dull strange disturbed area in the joint, it is not smooth and I doubt the physical and electrical quality of the joint then), making a joint that I would say you cannot trust.

If I am joining 2 wires or making a joint where I can twist the wires together, then I do that because I like the extra integrity of a twisted mechanical bond also secured and and connected with solder and covered with heat shrink. When you splice to wire together like this, make the twisted pair go together smoothly so that the wire does not make a hard sharp point that would puncture the heat shrink.

The joint should cool undisturbed straight like you want it without excessive bare wire. Now that a good joint is made, you might clean off the flux if you want then, slide the heat shrink over the joint to cover the joint and like about 1/4 to 3/8 of the wire what ever you feel comfortable with that would prevent accidental shorting.

You could use your iron to shrink the heat shrink, a lighter does better, I move the flame over the heat shrink quickly making sure not to burn the wire insulation, just enough to shrink the covering down tight to tightly hold on the wire insulation and on the joint too. If you apply too much heat, the covering pulls away from the joint leaving some of the joint exposed.

In some situations, as extra precaution ( double insulation ), I put 2 pieces of heat shrink.

Some videos and pictures would be good but I don't think they always include as much about making a good joint as I have shared here with you, but it would be good to look up a few youtube videos on making a good solder joint as well.

Hope this helps you.

Leonard
 
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defhermit

Member
wow man. thanks a lot for all this great info. I'll admit I've only scanned it so far, but for one thing at least, I didn't know you could just use a lighter on heatshrink. I 100% was under the impression that I would need to get a heat gun if I wanted to "finish" my soldering jobs. That's awesome! That encourages me even more to get into soldering this weekend. Unfortunately (fortunately actually) I acquired a free ticket to a big concert thing this weekend so I may not have as much time to devote to this as I'd like.

I'm definitely going to try to get started with soldering this weekend. Luckily I have some random arduino stuff lying around that I can use to experiment on. If that goes well I'll try to repair my ESC, or add bullets to a new one I got. Another goal I have it to replace the hot glue and zip ties on the landing gear of my storch with the copper and solder method mentioned in the build video. Or was it brass?

But of course I will take baby steps first. Recreating breadboard circuits with direct solder connections.
 

ProfessorFate

Active member
You know what would hold landing gear piano wire better joined like where the plastic wire ties would be, solder good and not break better is wire that is not copper, because it is stronger than copper. Some wire used for electrical purposes is not copper, don't know what it is, another alloy or metal.

Sand the piano wire all around the joint area, then it needs as much help as possible to make the solder stick, so, put flux on the piano wire, wrap with the wire you intend to use and solder it.

Try concentrating and starting and holding the heat on the piano wire instead of the wire wrapping, since the piano wire is the most solid mass most temperature resistant, get the solder flowing there first, then feed into the knot of wrapped wire. This might do a really good job.

You don't have to solder tho, everything adds weight, you could wrap with a strong black thread and saturate with CA.

On my FT Storch I have started in the Morane post, I am thinking of making landing gear using in some part or all, carbon fiber rod. I liked the technique used on the Twisted Hobbies Turbo Crack Beaver for landing gear. Check it out on Twisted Hobbies.com and the construction article in RC Groups for the Beaver.

I've really been wanting to make some kind of spring loaded CF landing gear without piano wire, with some 1/8" CF rod I have and some springs or something. I got some large fat 3" foam rubber wheels for this and was wanting to tape on the landing gear attached to a piece of thin plywood in case I wanted to belly land in grass fields and hand launch.

Yeah, why the Storch in my Morane post, because I got the fuse too heavy, and want to re-think/ re-work it, so I started the Storch.

Leonard
 

krinaman

Senior Member
I didn't know you could just use a lighter on heatshrink. I 100% was under the impression that I would need to get a heat gun if I wanted to "finish" my soldering jobs.

I just use the soldering iron to shrink it. Just hold it near it and it will shrink.