Naze 32 Problem

Frooj

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I just got my very first Naze 32 board a few days ago (10DOF version) and am using base flight and clean flight (I tried them both) for the very first time and I cannot seem to find a solution to the problem I am having. My board is completely installed in my quad and I have went through all the programming and set it all up but when I get to the ESC calibration part I start to have problems. From what I saw the instructions say to bring the motor slider all the way up and plug in the battery you will then hear a series of beeps then bring the motor slider down and you will hear another series of beeps and that should calibrate your motors. However when I plug my battery in to calibrate, the motors instantly begin spinning at full throttle and I hear no beeps at all. I have also tried flying my quadcopter without calibrating and it begins to pick itself up and then falls like it isn't getting enough power. I am completely stumped on what this is and what to do. As stated before I have never used a Naze 32 nor Clean or Base flight. I have never had these problems with the CC3D and Open pilot. Any help to get me back up and flying would be most greatly appreciated.
 

Frooj

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I have found Painless360's build series very helpful on this very issue.


Can you please list the time in the video where he covers on this? I have watched his ESC calibration part and his seemed to work perfectly. Thank you very much for your help.
 

Ocean

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Can you please list the time in the video where he covers on this? I have watched his ESC calibration part and his seemed to work perfectly. Thank you very much for your help.

In the video description Painless360 lists

In this video I cover:
- Installing a CPPM receiver (4:38)
- Calibrating the ESCs using Cleanflight (7:53)
- Checking channel values and midpoints (10:39)
- Checking arming is working ok (15:10)
- How to change the rates for softer and more aggressive flying (15:51)
...
 

Frooj

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I have watched through the ESC calibration part as stated before. When he plugs his battery in to calibrate he gets the beeps. When I plug my battery in I get full throttle screaming. He did not cover my issue in this video.
 

Craftydan

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you likely have a Naze32 rev 6 (not 6a or 6b), and on some ESCs this can give you headaches, the problem being, the USB and the ESC share a power rail. When you plug in the board, some brands of ESCs will allow that to power to their processors, and while the motor won't get power, the ESC has already booted up. The goal of the "move slider up then plug it in" is to catch the ESC as it boots up.

Simple change for just the calibration . . . disconnect each ESC one at a time, remove the middle pin form their connectors, then plug it back in. this will prevent the board from powering the ESC processor and the instructions linked above should now work. Calibrate, power it all down, then one by one put the middle wires back in to the plugs.

That being said . . . I'm not convinced the calibration will fix an instaflip. This is usually caused by either motors connected to the wrong port, motors spinning the wrong direction, or the board pointing in the wrong direction.

Good luck!
 

Frooj

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you likely have a Naze32 rev 6 (not 6a or 6b), and on some ESCs this can give you headaches, the problem being, the USB and the ESC share a power rail. When you plug in the board, some brands of ESCs will allow that to power to their processors, and while the motor won't get power, the ESC has already booted up. The goal of the "move slider up then plug it in" is to catch the ESC as it boots up.

Simple change for just the calibration . . . disconnect each ESC one at a time, remove the middle pin form their connectors, then plug it back in. this will prevent the board from powering the ESC processor and the instructions linked above should now work. Calibrate, power it all down, then one by one put the middle wires back in to the plugs.

That being said . . . I'm not convinced the calibration will fix an instaflip. This is usually caused by either motors connected to the wrong port, motors spinning the wrong direction, or the board pointing in the wrong direction.

Good luck!
Thank you very much this makes a lot of sense and explains why I can hear my motors trying to turn before I plug in the battery. The only problem is that I have a 4 in 1 ESC so I cannot plug them in seperately.
 

defhermit

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Definitely make sure that the correct numbered motor is spinning when you power up each one individually via cleanflight. It took me a week and a half of scratching my head about why it was flipping over immediately before I noticed that two motors were swapped with each other.
 

Frooj

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Mine does not flip over, it gets about 6 inches in the air ( shaking violently all the while) then it dies like it ran out of power and falls back down. Any advice on this problem would really help aswell.
 

f91ddr

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Perhaps a video would help? Also, it may be a tuning issue. If you can find PID values for a copter similar to yours, input them and see if it helps. It won't be perfect or near to it but if they are far off they you may find success.
 

PsyBorg

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The 4, 6, 9 method seems to be a respectable place to start for a base pid value for a NAZE32 from what I have seen in a lot of set up and tuning videos with I at .30 and D at 20, 20, 10. Also make sure the do not spin motors tab is check in clean flight on the set up page. This will prevent them spinning on the bench until you go to the motors tab and check the box after making sure your props are off the quad.

Make sure the settings in your radio are all set to neutral as far as sub trims, trims, and travel adjustments and go thru the receiver set up portion of the video as well. Make sure center points are at 1500 and travel adjustments range from 1000 to 2000.

Lastly make sure they are all spinning in the correct direction as well as making sure the props are going the correct way when you get to the point of testing your changes.

If none of that cures the issue make a short video for us to see so we may come up with other ideas instead of guessing or using the very basics.
 

Craftydan

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Thank you very much this makes a lot of sense and explains why I can hear my motors trying to turn before I plug in the battery. The only problem is that I have a 4 in 1 ESC so I cannot plug them in seperately.

My point isn't to plug them in separately, but to disconnect the 5v line coming from the ESC's UBEC. You can then cal all four simultaneously. The "one at a time" was so they get plugged back into the right spot -- connecting motors to the wrong port will assure a bad flight, where a bad cal does not.

As I mentioned before, however, performing a cal isn't a magical healing fix. It helps, but generally it doesn't make an unflyable airframe flyable.
 

Frooj

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I think I have got the ESC's calibrated now but when I give it throttle the motors start at different times and when I turn the throttle off some motors do not stop at all even after I turn arming to OFF. I have made a short video of the problem and listed my specs so that you can better assist me with my issue.
Specs:
Frame: darts 180
Motors: 1407 3200kv
ESC: Quattro 4in1 12 AMP
Flight Board: Naze32 rev6 10DOF
Using a Graupner mz-18 Transmitter and GR-12 Receiver
Video link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0efzqnOFJMnRkpNTXNJQ01EUW8
Thank you all very much for your continued help.
 

Craftydan

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Ok, with all of the props off (don't want to be slicing any fingers):

Go to the motor tab and slowly raise the master slider until all four motors are spinning smoothly. your up-down arrows on your keyboard can move the slider ever so slightly. write down that number and add 10 to it. Move the slider down until all four are stopped. write that number down, subtract 10.

Go to the setup page and plug in the smaller number into the "Min command" -- this will be the "Off" command the board sends to the ESCs. next enter the higher number into the "Min throttle" -- this is the lowest possible "On" command it will send to the ESCs. For now, check motor_stop (you can turn it off again later if you like, but this makes testing easier). Click save.

You should now be able to arm with al the motors off. While armed, bump the throttle up, all four will come on simultaneously. bump it back down and they all go off at the same time.
 

Frooj

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I have done exactly as you instructed and when I flip the arm switch the motors all begin spinning evenly (even with motor_Stop) checked and when I raise the throttle to about half way the green light on the naze shuts off and all the motors stop spinning until I bring the throttle to 0 again, then the motors begin spinning again and the green light comes back on. all of the motors stop when I turn off the arm switch except for motor 1 that seems to slowly wind down.