Confused by Flite Test’s direction

mcmoyer

Active member
I’m very new to foam board planes. I’ve been flying helicopters for 10 years, and foamie fixed wings for about 4 years now. I got tired of how expensive helicopters were with every little bump. Loved how I could easily repair foamies with a glue gun or foam-tac. Plus fixed wings are so much more relaxing to fly. Everything was great until I wanted a Spitfire in the middle of the pandemic. Everyone was out of stock.

That was when I found out about Flite Test. I ordered the MS Spitfire speed build kit. It took me a few days but it turned out really good. Then I tried to paint it. I think the best description about my paint job is “passable”. I enjoyed it enough that I subscribed to the FTCA. I got the plans for the Simple Stick and thought this is the perfect plane for me to build from plans. I went to the dollar store and got the $1 foam boards, cajoled my wife to print the plans at work and about 2 days later, I had a beautiful looking plane. I used colored electrical tape to add designs, and the tape actually stuck to the foam board.

I have been flying the snot out of this plane. This plane has given me a freedom that none of my other planes has given me. I try things on this plane first because I know that even if I destroy it, it’ll cost me about $3 in foam board to replace it. I’ve already had to go back to the plans and make replacement parts. Same with my Spitfire. I lost the battery hatch in flight. Couldn’t find it, so I just created a new one. I also have to admit, there’s also a bit of an ASMR feeling when you’re cutting the foam board.

I went to looking at what my next plane will be and saw the AT-6 on top of the list. It’s pretty good looking, but that combo price of $160 made me start realizing that there’s not a lot of difference between this and a foamie in price. Now that plans are no longer released, one of the biggest reasons to go the FT route is gone. Sure, I could keep my foam board skeletons and use them to trace, but that only gives me the outline.

Additionally, I have an Eflite 64mm F-16 that was doomed because it was my first EDF. It needs a new fuselage and wings from the last bad crash. When I saw John’s design on the store, I was pretty excited until I realized you only got the SBK and no plans. The replacement parts from eflite are just about the same price of the SBK. I’m not sure which way I’ll go with this. There seems to be no clear winner.

I‘ll still be subscribing to the FTCA because I believe in what they do for the community. I’d love to support them via purchasing SBK’s, but I have a feeling that my next new plane will end up being a foamie, or one of the many previously released FT plans or community designs.
 

CappyAmeric

Elite member
The ability to make replace parts is certainly a great reason for FT foam board methods.

FT hasn't "changed direction". They still make great kits, and they still give most plans away for free. For instance, the FT MS Spitfire plans are still available as well as almost all FT plans made prior to the Summer of 2020. You can find them in the Resources pages here on this forum, or you can go to Amain Hobby site, pick the FT kit you want plans for, then click the Resources tab and various forms of PDF plans are there.

SPONZ's excellent index of free plans here on this forum: https://forum.flitetest.com/index.php?threads/sp0nz-plans-index.17136/

Amain Hobbies FT section: https://www.amainhobbies.com/flite-test-rc-airplanes/c-qeqeyqseytwryqgz?fk=26_183&fb=2568&lg=fk26
 

TheFlyingBrit

Legendary member
I’m very new to foam board planes. I’ve been flying helicopters for 10 years, and foamie fixed wings for about 4 years now. I got tired of how expensive helicopters were with every little bump. Loved how I could easily repair foamies with a glue gun or foam-tac. Plus fixed wings are so much more relaxing to fly. Everything was great until I wanted a Spitfire in the middle of the pandemic. Everyone was out of stock.

That was when I found out about Flite Test. I ordered the MS Spitfire speed build kit. It took me a few days but it turned out really good. Then I tried to paint it. I think the best description about my paint job is “passable”. I enjoyed it enough that I subscribed to the FTCA. I got the plans for the Simple Stick and thought this is the perfect plane for me to build from plans. I went to the dollar store and got the $1 foam boards, cajoled my wife to print the plans at work and about 2 days later, I had a beautiful looking plane. I used colored electrical tape to add designs, and the tape actually stuck to the foam board.

I have been flying the snot out of this plane. This plane has given me a freedom that none of my other planes has given me. I try things on this plane first because I know that even if I destroy it, it’ll cost me about $3 in foam board to replace it. I’ve already had to go back to the plans and make replacement parts. Same with my Spitfire. I lost the battery hatch in flight. Couldn’t find it, so I just created a new one. I also have to admit, there’s also a bit of an ASMR feeling when you’re cutting the foam board.

I went to looking at what my next plane will be and saw the AT-6 on top of the list. It’s pretty good looking, but that combo price of $160 made me start realizing that there’s not a lot of difference between this and a foamie in price. Now that plans are no longer released, one of the biggest reasons to go the FT route is gone. Sure, I could keep my foam board skeletons and use them to trace, but that only gives me the outline.

Additionally, I have an Eflite 64mm F-16 that was doomed because it was my first EDF. It needs a new fuselage and wings from the last bad crash. When I saw John’s design on the store, I was pretty excited until I realized you only got the SBK and no plans. The replacement parts from eflite are just about the same price of the SBK. I’m not sure which way I’ll go with this. There seems to be no clear winner.

I‘ll still be subscribing to the FTCA because I believe in what they do for the community. I’d love to support them via purchasing SBK’s, but I have a feeling that my next new plane will end up being a foamie, or one of the many previously released FT plans or community designs.
Flite test are one of the reasons I got back into the hobby, for that and their early YouTube videos I will be eternally grateful.
However, I can sympathise with you as your right Flite Test have changed direction, sadly that's part of commercialisation. Its all about making money, paying wages and keeping sponsors happy.
I have a good selection of the free plans, that they gave away and will treasure them till I die. Those days are now gone the Simple stick will probably be the last of the fun simple builds. The instructional videos and model reviews are also gone, which I miss as much as the build videos.
I stopped watching Flite test videos a while back as from my perspective they became repetitive and self indulgent, I genuinely miss the old Flite Test and what they did for the hobby and gave to the people who followed them.
Fortunately there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum, who still carry on with what the original Flite Test stood for and gave the hobby and for that I am grateful. These people still experiment and build models from foam board and share their plans and experiences with others. There is a wealth of knowledge and experience on here and it always amazes me the models that can be built from this material. If nothing else this forum and its members have become the legacy that the original Flite Test left us and long may it last.
I myself have have also reverted back to ARTF foam models and building balsa models for the most part, but still enjoy building the odd foam board plane. I am also planning to start working on my own designs in the coming years.
Look up the plans index, all the original plans are still available so if your handy you can still build them from scratch.
 

mcmoyer

Active member
If you want free plans there are so many designs from the talented community members to plug the gaps between Flitetest releases. That's always an option. I'd also suggest taking a look at 13thsquadron.com. Lots of free master series style designs.

yeah, I'm really tempted to make that Zero. It's a beautiful design.
 

PsyBorg

Wake up! Time to fly!
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However, I can sympathise with you as your right Flite Test have changed direction, sadly that's part of commercialisation. Its all about making money, paying wages and keeping sponsors happy.

SOOOO off the mark mate... I guess you have not been reading the forums other then the "Free stuff" It has been stated in several threads the reasoning for the plans not being public now. They are all still free just behind a more secure system where FT can control people who have taken advantage of the "Public" plans and have been selling them for profit. Doing this also gives FT a better path to go after those who would join FTCA for plan access to continue profiting off their works.

The rest is normal as after all Flite Test IS a business and does need to generate income to continue being a business. Does whomever you work for make products to give them away? Do they allow access to plans or schematics so just anyone can build their products.. Don't think so
 

PsyBorg

Wake up! Time to fly!
@mcmoyer Just for general information mate the Monster series and the master series are Jon Overtreets property used with permission from Flite Test as he is a partner. That part of Flite test planes most likely will not be posted publicly other then the first few to test viability of the product and generate interest.

I am sure the cost has something to do with Jon putting up a building, buy several laser cutters, and now new printers. Do you think he would recuperate that investment by giving away his work?
 

TheFlyingBrit

Legendary member
Not sure if that's in the free plans index, your only option would be buy the kit then trace the plan from the kit before building it. That way you will always have a copy to refer back to, for scratch building.
Just checked there are only 5 plans for the master series and non are for the Zero sorry.
 
Why is there sooo much whining about the cost of a speed built kit. The kits aren't really that expensive. Buy one, use it a template, trace out a pattern, take pictures, and then build it. Or.....

Build one of the old ones from the printable patterns on this forum.

Or design your own.

And build it with the $1 foam board.

Things change, now that we know people are screwing over FliteTest stealing and selling their designs. Their new designs should be protected and they should be able to make money off of it.

I know they made promises/claims of idealism when they had no idea the consequences to their businesses of these jerks with lasers. Be mad at the guys that are taking advantage of their plans. Am I the only one that's happy to support the creative future of FliteTest by buying products?

FliteTest can we get a laminated EPP trainer product with your fancy new wire CNC?

I’m very new to foam board planes. I’ve been flying helicopters for 10 years, and foamie fixed wings for about 4 years now. I got tired of how expensive helicopters were with every little bump. Loved how I could easily repair foamies with a glue gun or foam-tac. Plus fixed wings are so much more relaxing to fly. Everything was great until I wanted a Spitfire in the middle of the pandemic. Everyone was out of stock.

That was when I found out about Flite Test. I ordered the MS Spitfire speed build kit. It took me a few days but it turned out really good. Then I tried to paint it. I think the best description about my paint job is “passable”. I enjoyed it enough that I subscribed to the FTCA. I got the plans for the Simple Stick and thought this is the perfect plane for me to build from plans. I went to the dollar store and got the $1 foam boards, cajoled my wife to print the plans at work and about 2 days later, I had a beautiful looking plane. I used colored electrical tape to add designs, and the tape actually stuck to the foam board.

I have been flying the snot out of this plane. This plane has given me a freedom that none of my other planes has given me. I try things on this plane first because I know that even if I destroy it, it’ll cost me about $3 in foam board to replace it. I’ve already had to go back to the plans and make replacement parts. Same with my Spitfire. I lost the battery hatch in flight. Couldn’t find it, so I just created a new one. I also have to admit, there’s also a bit of an ASMR feeling when you’re cutting the foam board.

I went to looking at what my next plane will be and saw the AT-6 on top of the list. It’s pretty good looking, but that combo price of $160 made me start realizing that there’s not a lot of difference between this and a foamie in price. Now that plans are no longer released, one of the biggest reasons to go the FT route is gone. Sure, I could keep my foam board skeletons and use them to trace, but that only gives me the outline.

Additionally, I have an Eflite 64mm F-16 that was doomed because it was my first EDF. It needs a new fuselage and wings from the last bad crash. When I saw John’s design on the store, I was pretty excited until I realized you only got the SBK and no plans. The replacement parts from eflite are just about the same price of the SBK. I’m not sure which way I’ll go with this. There seems to be no clear winner.

I‘ll still be subscribing to the FTCA because I believe in what they do for the community. I’d love to support them via purchasing SBK’s, but I have a feeling that my next new plane will end up being a foamie, or one of the many previously released FT plans or community designs.
 

mcmoyer

Active member
Not sure if that's in the free plans index, your only option would be buy the kit then trace the plan from the kit before building it. That way you will always have a copy to refer back to, for scratch building.
Just checked there are only 5 plans for the master series and non are for the Zero sorry.

I was referring to the 13th Squadron's Zero, but thanks for checking on the FT one.
 

mcmoyer

Active member
@mcmoyer Just for general information mate the Monster series and the master series are Jon Overtreets property used with permission from Flite Test as he is a partner. That part of Flite test planes most likely will not be posted publicly other then the first few to test viability of the product and generate interest.

I am sure the cost has something to do with Jon putting up a building, buy several laser cutters, and now new printers. Do you think he would recuperate that investment by giving away his work?

Thanks for the clarification on that. So do you think the other non-Overstreet designs that come out in the future will be available as plans?

I can totally see John's need to make money off of this. My question is more how viable is that model. If the Foamie and the Foamboard model are very similar in price, which will consumers pick? In general, my foamies fly better and seem to have better longevity. At the same time, I don't have the satisfaction of flying something that I built. In relation to John's models, the equation was tilted towards his models when the plans were available to supplement the SBK. Now, for me, it's fairly even.
 

mcmoyer

Active member
Why is there sooo much whining about the cost of a speed built kit. The kits aren't really that expensive. Buy one, use it a template, trace out a pattern, take pictures, and then build it. Or.....

you are correct, they aren't terribly expensive, but they are getting to be in line with foamies. Take for instance the T-6, it's $160 for the value bundle. For roughly $40 more, I can get a similar size wingspan warbird, with flaps and retracts.
 
Doesn't that have to do with the higher cost of the value bundle? Rather than the speed build kit foam? People are losing their minds over the plans not being free forever like Josh Bixler promised. :)

Don't most mature hobbyists buy their components from multiple sources?

you are correct, they aren't terribly expensive, but they are getting to be in line with foamies. Take for instance the T-6, it's $160 for the value bundle. For roughly $40 more, I can get a similar size wingspan warbird, with flaps and retracts.
 

mcmoyer

Active member
Doesn't that have to do with the higher cost of the value bundle? Rather than the speed build kit foam? People are losing their minds over the plans not being free forever like Josh Bixler promised. :)

At the moment, that's the only way you can purchase the T-6 so :shrug:

I'm really not losing my mind over the plans not being free. I'd gladly buy the SBK for the new planes, if there was some way for me to access plans for it.
 
Fair enough you are not losing your mind, but many seem to be.

I'm guessing the foam will be uncoupled at some point, but why would this plan be free in any world? How would FT pay anybody to develop such an amazing kit if If it's giving away for free.

If I were you I'd buy the foamy, unless you love to build!

At the moment, that's the only way you can purchase the T-6 so :shrug:

I'm really not losing my mind over the plans not being free. I'd gladly buy the SBK for the new planes, if there was some way for me to access plans for it.
 
I just saw the video for the new FT Tutor, and I went onto the store and bought it. Then it occurred to me that there is not a build video yet. Does anyone know if FT will still be doing these? I'm pretty sure I can build the tutor without a video, as I've done several SBK's before and even 2 that I built from the plans. But I do like those videos.
 

TheFlyingBrit

Legendary member
I like having three options to be honest.
1. I like the simplicity of buying a foam model in a box that I can build up in a day and fly the next day, its fun to fly and as long as I don't crash it, there is some longevity to it.
2. On the other hand there is no feeling quite like building a balsa model and watching that completed model fly. The down side's are cost and they take time and patience to build. However, the big plus side's are the added weight allows you to fly them in windy conditions and you get to fit IC engines in them (you can't beat that sound).
3. Foamboard planes, cheap easy to build over a few nights and most fly well. Down side they are not built to last and not as robust as the other two options. The big plus you can experiment with designs and if they crash its no big loss.
 

TheFlyingBrit

Legendary member
I just saw the video for the new FT Tutor, and I went onto the store and bought it. Then it occurred to me that there is not a build video yet. Does anyone know if FT will still be doing these? I'm pretty sure I can build the tutor without a video, as I've done several SBK's before and even 2 that I built from the plans. But I do like those videos.
I still like watching the build videos, they have helped me pass many a boring evening working nights.