bhursey
The Geeky Pilot
Every response we need to say is STOP REGISTERING to this thread maybe people will listen.
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Every response we need to say is STOP REGISTERING to this thread maybe people will listen.
razor02097
Rogue Drone Pilot
bitogre
Member
Can you site the actual law or a case? We see on the news protesters promoting even worse crimes against police and they are not prosecuted for such horrendous statements. As far as I'm concerned, my comment was made in the same vein: a statement of protest against a regulation I strongly disagree with and point out that AMA Membership # on my plane is effectively the same thing.
The-One-Who-Never-Crashes
TOWN-C Aviation
They are breaking a law... while trying to make one
.And their "law" is also ineffective.
bhursey
The Geeky Pilot
They are breaking a law... while trying to make one
And their "law" is also ineffective.
Exactly its all about power and lobbying I guarantee there is amazon and other corprate influences have been at play here.
bitogre
Member
I find it interesting that both the cases cited are cases where the court upheld "conviction on the basis that the government may suppress or punish speech that directly advocates the unlawful overthrow of the government." While I am not a lawyer, I think what I did is protected based on the Brandenburg test just as other speech I pointed out before we see on TV is also protected. I do not like that I am siting a case where some extremely awful speech I disagree with was protected as proof that my speech is equally protected. But I am happy that the Right to Free Speech is recognized, even the speech I find horrific as it also protects me.
BTW, thanks for providing me with those cases. Researching my response was very educational and eye opening and helps me appreciate the freedoms we have in the US.
bhursey
The Geeky Pilot
It sounds like you want the registration?
bitogre
Member
I cannot find anything on Reasonableness Test. What I am finding is "Reasonable Person Test" but I don't see how that applies here. Can you provide a link to a site that discusses it? And why does the test I mentioned not apply? It is referenced when I looked up the "Bad tendency" test that was mentioned in the cases you sited and the "Bad tendency" test was overturned and replaced with the Brandenburg test.
Finally, are you a lawyer? Just trying to understand why we are even having this debate.
bitogre
Member
I can accept calling it a draw with both of us having made good points and both failing to decisively prove our side.
bitogre
Member
Sneeky7
Member
I HIGHLY encourage everybody to read the following document that the FAA published to give guidance to law enforcement officers regarding UAS operators (i.e. all of us on this forum). This is meant to be a checklist to LEO for their interactions with us, so we should be aware of this since there will be a LOT of contact from the police to hobbyists in the future.
https://www.faa.gov/uas/regulations_policies/media/FAA_UAS-PO_LEA_Guidance.pdf
https://www.faa.gov/uas/regulations_policies/media/FAA_UAS-PO_LEA_Guidance.pdf
aeroncalover
It shouldn't do that....
GUESS WHAT!!!! THE WEBSITE IS DOWN!!!! can the government get anything right?
Sneeky7
Member
My bad, I'm just getting fired up. It's really ironic because (proving your point!) their own updated Guideline document references 336(a) of the Act. It's hilarious.
Larry Laitner
Member
I was previously under the impression that any RC aircraft was covered by the new rules but after visiting the registration site I now believe that the FAA only intends for drone pilots to register. Here is what I saw on the website: The site made constant use of the word drone. "register my drone" "Do I need to register my drone?" "You will be subject to civil and criminal penalties if you meet the criteria to register a drone and do not register." And then another "register my drone" button.
https://registermyuas.faa.gov/
Additionally, if you click on the "Learn more" button and then on " examples of UAS that do and do not require registration (PDF)", you will be treated to examples of many drones, but no airplanes. http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/media/UAS_Weights_Registration.pdf
QED
So really, if you only fly rc airplanes you don't need to register since the new program seems to be only for drones.
https://registermyuas.faa.gov/
Additionally, if you click on the "Learn more" button and then on " examples of UAS that do and do not require registration (PDF)", you will be treated to examples of many drones, but no airplanes. http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/media/UAS_Weights_Registration.pdf
QED
So really, if you only fly rc airplanes you don't need to register since the new program seems to be only for drones.
Mostly Harmless
Member
Drone is a meaningless term, these days.
The pictures in your example show multi-rotor 'copters. I believe the FAA intends for all r/c aircraft over 250g (8.8 oz.) to be registered, whether fixed wing, helicopter, or multi-rotor.
The pictures in your example show multi-rotor 'copters. I believe the FAA intends for all r/c aircraft over 250g (8.8 oz.) to be registered, whether fixed wing, helicopter, or multi-rotor.
bhursey
The Geeky Pilot
Seems they are targeting quads but to do it they had to blanket include all rc aircraft. However the reffrence just quads. Police a bet will just go after quads that are marked by the media as drones.
Sneeky7
Member
That's 100% the truth. The FAR came about in response to quadcopter hobby growth, no question about it. Like someone else commented, even the FAA's own "sample UAS" list that someone in here linked to is exclusively targeting quads.
I have total belief that police will rarely, if at all, be targeting fixed wing flyers.
razor02097
Rogue Drone Pilot
and I have yet to see a "drone" buzzing around where I am. No matter the area you aren't going to see the entire populous operating those death machines
As far as the accountability argument, seems like the media has you hook line and sinker. Every story published involves a "drone" and "the operator crashed and ran away" connotation. You never hear of the other tens of thousands of people that are responsibly flying. If they wanted to make it illegal to fly over events and crowds they should just do that. Instead they are creating another unsecured, publicly searchable database. Which is going to solve absolutely nothing. Was the "education" part the FAA was talking about the quick blurbs of "do not's" you get on your certificate? What a joke!
