DRAFT 2019 Fantasy Aircraft Design & Build Challenge Guidelines

Namactual

Elite member
That's the beauty of this challenge. It's a blank canvas. You can do anything you want to. You could even create your own plane from scratch.

There are a couple of ways you could tackle that. You could put a third motor back there. You could cut it out completely. You could also just mount a free spinning prop back there. Just keep it small so it does not create more drag than it has to though.

Nothing is written in stone. The only rule you have to follow is you MUST have fun.:)
 

Pilot_35

Active member
Ok. I think sense this will be my first scratch build I will start with just the wing tips. And if that goes all well I will try 3. Thanks for the awesome help. Next step how to make it.
 

Namactual

Elite member
@Pilot_35
Scratch building is fun, but it can be complicated. If I could make a suggestion, start with something existing and modify it to suit your needs. Something like this...
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If you take the mini-Cruiser as a start point, you could modify the wings as shown to get you started on the #3 plane.

I don't know what kind of budget you have, or electronics if any, but experimenting with foamboard is about as cheap as it gets. (y)
 
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rockyboy

Skill Collector
Mentor
you mean this guy?
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It might fly great if you put it on its side and flew it like a lifting body. Fuselage vertical would be interesting to see.

I'm thinking of embracing the cartoonish aspect of this and doing a vertical fuselage that's hollow and maybe has a lifting surface running through the middle of it. Sort of like those flying doghouse models. And of course a nice printable skin. Maybe some window screen material painted for the front so I can get plenty of airflow but still have a little bit of graphics treatment up there. And of course the dual propeller - extra long motor shaft thing will be interesting to work out :D
 

b-29er

Well-known member
Thanks now I see it. How would I put a 3rd motor on the back? Or should I just stick to the 2 on the wing tips.

I would stick to 2, that way you can elminate torque and keep the thing hand launchable. If you need help with design or anything, let me know

I'm thinking of embracing the cartoonish aspect of this and doing a vertical fuselage that's hollow and maybe has a lifting surface running through the middle of it. Sort of like those flying doghouse models. And of course a nice printable skin. Maybe some window screen material painted for the front so I can get plenty of airflow but still have a little bit of graphics treatment up there. And of course the dual propeller - extra long motor shaft thing will be interesting to work out :D

Yeah hollow may be required, just may want to keep an eye on your center of lift/center of thrust and elevator coupling, since its effectiveness may be dulled by being placed at a 45 above the wing. Could also turn those hollow lifting surfaces into elevators which might help.

Good luck!
 

Namactual

Elite member
I'm thinking of embracing the cartoonish aspect of this and doing a vertical fuselage that's hollow and maybe has a lifting surface running through the middle of it. Sort of like those flying doghouse models. And of course a nice printable skin. Maybe some window screen material painted for the front so I can get plenty of airflow but still have a little bit of graphics treatment up there. And of course the dual propeller - extra long motor shaft thing will be interesting to work out :D
If you pull that off, you will definitely have one of the coolest looking original Aircraft flown made of foamboard.(y) That thing just has a style all it's own.

"Tee minus six" :)
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Fluburtur

Cardboard Boy
I just remembered I have a picture of the most disgusting airplane concept, if anyone wants to try making that horror fly.
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It's a model I saw at the Bourget airshow last year, I don't really know who had this idea but I have one question: why
 

rockyboy

Skill Collector
Mentor
Yeah hollow may be required, just may want to keep an eye on your center of lift/center of thrust and elevator coupling, since its effectiveness may be dulled by being placed at a 45 above the wing. Could also turn those hollow lifting surfaces into elevators which might help.
Good luck!

I like that idea of having the internal lifting surface also join in with the elevator control. I was also thinking of differential thrust on the motors linked with the elevator channel :D Might need to place the battery in the bomb too just to keep some roll stability with such a tall structure.

If you pull that off, you will definitely have one of the coolest looking original Aircraft flown made of foamboard.(y) That thing just has a style all it's own.

Yeah, it's a weird one :D

I just remembered I have a picture of the most disgusting airplane concept, if anyone wants to try making that horror fly.
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It's a model I saw at the Bourget airshow last year, I don't really know who had this idea but I have one question: why

Umm... interesting... wonder what the low airspeed lift would be like with the airflow accelerated over the wing like that. Not the prettiest belle at the ball for sure.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
 

Fidget

Active member
You would want that anyways since that design would be a pain to impossible to fly as a straight winged, rudderless plank with tip mounted props.

I was afraid that might be true. The Columbus Jets plane I'm building is basically plank with a baseball bat down the middle and an EDF on each wingtip.
 

b-29er

Well-known member
I was afraid that might be true. The Columbus Jets plane I'm building is basically plank with a baseball bat down the middle and an EDF on each wingtip.

Yeah and given the response times of EDFs (Slower to reach target power than a propeller due to speed), you would want good rudder authority.

You can always use clear plastic to make an "invisible" vertical stabilizer to help it track better
Do this @Fidget, rocky's right on the money here

Was looking up stuff on the A-10 and found this:

The 'Machete' that could replace the A-10 Warthog: Radical lightweight metal foam attack plane with a PROPELLER


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That would be a neat one i see a few issues. Whoever is building this needs to be 100% on point with the tail boom design and the wing going up to it, like super skookum, no guessing, no second thoughts. You have the issues of imparted torque on the wing, changing angle of attack if the wing structure is not good, potential wing structure weakening if the area where the boom meets up with the wing cuts too deep into the spar. The boom itself is probably going to have to be a larger CF square tube because there is not a whole lot of room to work with, unless you make a bass/balsa box or something. And because the elevators/rudders aren't connected, you need to make sure your boom and interface between the boom and the wing can deal with rotational loads, because as soon as you crank elevator, its going to want to twist that tail boom, though you could counter this by having 2 rudder channels, one for the upper and lower rudder, and using automatically applied crow to cant the lower rudders out and the upper rudders in to apply torque to counter the rotation issue.

If you can work that out well though, that would be awesome. Probably could skimp out on counter rotating props if you wanted and still have power to load this thing up with little hardpoints and (droppable?) ordinance. I actually just picked up a CNC, so if you want some help with some custom wood stuff for this, lemme know (this is general for everyone here).
 
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Pilot_35

Active member
I would stick to 2, that way you can elminate torque and keep the thing hand launchable. If you need help with design or anything, let me know



Yeah hollow may be required, just may want to keep an eye on your center of lift/center of thrust and elevator coupling, since its effectiveness may be dulled by being placed at a 45 above the wing. Could also turn those hollow lifting surfaces into elevators which might help.

Good luck!

What power pack from flite test do you think I should use?
 

Pilot_35

Active member
I was thinking a 30inches span would be good. However I was thinking if I could use full size power pods then I would save some money on electronics. If I am using full size power pods I don't know the relationship size of the wing to the mounting pods on the wing tips. Right now I am on a little trip so when I get home I will watch YouTube Vedios and try to learn a CAD software that might help.
Thanks
 

Grifflyer

WWII fanatic
I was thinking a 30inches span would be good. However I was thinking if I could use full size power pods then I would save some money on electronics. If I am using full size power pods I don't know the relationship size of the wing to the mounting pods on the wing tips. Right now I am on a little trip so when I get home I will watch YouTube Vedios and try to learn a CAD software that might help.
Thanks
If you want to do a 30 inch'ish wingspan I'd suggest going with a twin power pack A, but if you wanted to do it with full size power pods you'd probably be approaching a 40 maybe even 50 inch wing span.