FAA Approved Remote ID List?
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This works - and $39 - yes this whole situation sucks, but it is what it is: https://www.getfpv.com/hex-cube-id-serial.html
Flying Monkey fab
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That's great if, and only if you are already using a flight controller. Otherwise it is useless.
And it isn't plug and play. You need to compile special versions of the ArduPilot firmware with droneid enabled. Not for the faint of heart. And not all ArduPilot hardware supports DID_ENABLE
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Flying Monkey fab
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Didn't know that part. Yeah, sell me a card that I can provide power to and be done.
That is what FT is working on but I'm afraid that it's going to be something well over $100, I'll be tickled if it is less.
Yeah, I got one thinking it would be simple.... Documentation is spotty. These are really made for drone vendors that build their own hardware and must add RID /DID
$109 for the FT EZ-ID is a bit much. That's more than some of my FT planes.
The FT module seems fine, but I'm still looking for <$50.
Flite Test EZ Remote Identification
Also see FT EZ-ID
The FT module seems fine, but I'm still looking for <$50.
Flite Test EZ Remote Identification
Also see FT EZ-ID
JasonK
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I don't see an FAA certification on that... only FCC and CE...
Given that it relies on Ardupilot, I don't see how it would get an FCC cert... as it appears to rely on the FC for GPS cords, which means it would fail the "can't be easily modified" rule for modules.
BZZZT. It isn't meant for end users. It is meant for Drone Manufacturers. And YES, Ardupilot can be secured with certificates by a manufacturer to prevent Tampering, including secure boot which prevents modification or loading of non secure code. A manufacturer can ge t a drone certified by getting the whole End product certified by the FAA. The individual components don't matter.
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ChrisOlson
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Be aware that the Cube-ID is not FAA approved. If you build your own aircraft and use one of those it is up to you to submit the paperwork to the FAA to get a DoC (Declaration of Compliance) for your RID module with a serial number so your aircraft can be registered. So even if you're running a flight controller with ArduPilot it's not a simple stick-on $39 solution. It is more geared to OEM's that build various aircraft using the ArduPilot software.
ChrisOlson
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I'm an ArduPilot developer, traditional helicopter, although I'm not as active as I was since I retired. While what you say is true, and it is primarily targeted to OEM's, the Cube ID can be used by an end user. It requires compiling your own firmware (at present), and going thru the lengthy process of obtaining the FAA DoC for your aircraft in the US. If you choose to do this in the US you essentially become the OEM to get that RID # to make it possible to register your aircraft to be in compliance with Remote ID.
So while it is a fairly economical little board, it is not a simple solution for end users. They are selling them with the idea that it is, but it's not. It's fairly easy to get it to work. Not so easy to make it legal.
True.
I have been a beta tester/ debugger for several firmwares over the last 8 years including compiling firmware in development environments. I have one of the Cube_ID modules and figured out that it is not a plug and play solution, requires enabling DroneID when compiling, setting up certificates, secure boot on the FC/ Firmware, need beta updates enabled in Mission Planner, etc. So yeah, at a high level we are stating mostly the same thing.
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ChrisOlson
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Yes, for most folks I would recommend getting one of the standalone modules, velcro it to your aircraft and it will just work. OEM's that use ArduPilot are going to use secure boot with public-private key pairs, and that ties the RID module to the flight controller. This locks the end user out of changing it unless the OEM releases a new version of the firmware that is signed by their public-private key pair.
For hobby builders and recreational pilots this doesn't make much sense. You may want to build or fly several aircraft and as a recreational flyer you can simply move your little RID module from one to the next. Which overall makes the most sense for recreational builders/pilots.
Ultimately, I think this whole concept will fail. It is not well-designed and is a half-baked compromise approach that the FAA came up with to satisfy the laws passed by Congress in the last FAA Reauthorization Act of 2018. Pretty much the same thing happened with ADS-B. I cost us in the millions in the manned aviation industry to install it in private aircraft, it was going to replace terminal radar. That never happened, and it never will - ADS-B is not reliable enough to replace terminal radar and Mode-C transponders because it is too easily spoofed and GPS satellites are not as reliable as ground-based systems. So we spent millions in the General Aviation community to comply and nothing ever really changed other than the general public can now track airplanes with ADS-B.
Welcome to the world of aviation and federal regulation. The federal government of the US typically can't find their own ass with both hands, but they're the ones that make the rules.
Spektrum just released their Sky ID for $70.
synjin
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Sadly, I use FlySky and Jumper TXs and FlySky receivers. Not sure the Spektrum Sky ID will work with IBUS.
It's actually $100. It's on sale ("introductory price") for $70. So they want you to buy asap. LOL!
It should work as a stand alone RID even without a receiver. Just needs power. But it's $100/$70.
Flying Monkey fab
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Depends on what you want to do. Just to be compliant all you need to do is provide power.
I pre ordered one of the SkyId modules from Spektrum. It can apparently be used with any aircraft, receiver, tx combination in that it only needs power to operate. I will order the flite test module as well when it becomes available. It will be interesting to compare the two. Either one of these RID modules are basically less expensive than anything else I have seen on the market. Even so I am hoping for <$50 eventually. Yes these are transferable between different aircraft and at these prices that is how I will use them but I would like to install something in my favorite ones that can just stay there.
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