Hughes H-1 w/ Racing Wings

JohnRambozo

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Foolish as it may be, I can't stop thinking about the Hughes H-1, so it must be made into foam.

The foolish choice is to try to make nearly scale race wings for the maiden, rather than the wider cross-country wings. Its just such a streamlined design and an amazing piece of aviation history.

I have a rough draft that I am currently cutting based on some old balsa plans. I am using a power pod sized rectangular center with a lot of formers along the length. I'm going to try a poster board skin first, then see what I can add for strength. There are 5 formers to get the shape of the front cowl, and another 9 or 10 for the rest of the fuse shape.

Overall dimensions:
Wingspan - 28 inches shown (32 inches in plans)
Fuse Length - 29 inches

Plans are for the more practical 32 inch wingspan used to break the cross-country record.

The larger wings have not been tested as this February 2015 in New England has been the coldest on record and the snowiest I have ever seen. I figure if a 28 inch wingspan flies, 32 inches will fly a little slower, but not too slow.

If and when you build your own, please share the experience with everyone here!

If you run into any bugs, share those as well so I can update the plans.

Full Plans (with Edits after ClearSkiesCalmWinds tested) in the links below:

jrHughes H-1 Cross Country and Racing Wings - Page 1/2
jrHughes H-1 Cross Country and Racing Wings - Page 2/2

Links updated to include spar and servo slots. Now includes both Cross Country and Racing wings!

Build Log Starts Here:

After cutting the wings I was very concerned they would be too small. To put my mind at ease I found this guide on calculating wing loading: How to Calculate the Wing Loading of a Flying Model Aircraft

Based on a trapezoidal segmentation of the wing to measure area I've found I need to keep it under 800 grams AUW to fly heavy. 800 grams puts me just over the 25 oz/sq ft limit. I know I'm mixing measures but I had to convert to oz/sq ft based on the chart I found showing suggested wing loading. If I can keep it down to 700 grams, I only have 21 oz/sq ft. While still heavy, it should be manageable.

Here are the wings, the sides of the fuse and the tail feathers cut out.

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The fuse is going to be just about 2 inches shorter than the FT Spitfire. These wings are much smaller.

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Test fitting the formers (now glued in place) and the power pod. Its a tight fit, but it fits!

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I opted for a 1 piece elevator to save weight on the solutions needed to address a 2 piece elevator. I was even able to keep that signature look intact. The H.Stabs are both the same size, its just the perspective angle that makes them look different. First attempt on top, current on the bottom.

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I'm running into too many problems with the fuse and am redesigning based on this... simplifying where possible:

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The wing remains unchanged. It is nearly identical to what I would have come up based on the new 3 view drawing. I'm happy with the subtle changes to the tail. Changes to the fuse are pretty drastic. Basically a complete redesign to allow for simple wing placement and fewer formers. The center blue line on the fuse bottom is to help center the wings. The blue lines on the fuse mark former placement. Removable nose/cowl and former shapes coming soon.

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Most recent plan layout showing formers and cowl supports.

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Upate 9/11/14 - I finished cutting the foam and got the fuse together including the break-away cowl. Here's the play by play. I'll add the text soon. The wings and tail feathers are just test fit, everything else is glued in place.


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Each piece of the cowl is indicated by the double letters AA-AE. There are red dots on the plans that mark where the skewer should go through for perfect alignment. I recommend carefully poking all 4 holes on each piece to center and test fit the alignment before applying glue.


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Do the same for the supports that go between AD and AE.


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I borrowed the main fuse assembly style from nerdnic. Place it upside down on the table and use a 90 degree when gluing the B style fold. Make sure its good and solid before moving on. Then install the B former first, followed by AE including the pieces on the underside. Use your guidelines that you should have transferred from the planes for alignment.


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Make sure you put your bends on the blue lines for the fuse bottom before installing. Test fit front to back before gluing. Start gluing by just doing the front piece up to the first bend. It should butt up against the back side of the B former bottom piece.


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Now glue the bottom back just to the E former bend.


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Glue in the rest of the formers C - F, then finish off the bottom of the fuse.


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You'll want only this much of the skewer exposed to give enough grip to stay in place when its lightly glued. This allows for a break-away cowl. It should preserve the fuse in case of a bad landing. I'm sure I'll find out soon enough.


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Slide the skewers into the alignment holes.


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I only put a tiny dab of glue on the left and right side where the support touches AE for minimal resistance in a crash.


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Main fuse complete.


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I use nerdnic's horizontal stabilizer spar trick. Make sure you're utilizing your 90 degree piece to keep your tail good and square when gluing.


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Detail of the aft section.


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Wings are still in the final design stage but I wanted to make sure they fit in my wing mount slots. They're perfectly snug and will get some dihedral when they are done.


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Profile view of first pass on the poster board, taped in place. Some slight adjustments need to be made at the seams, but it came together faster than I expected.


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I approached each span between formers individually by wrapping with plain paper. I taped it in place then used a pencil to draw a line marking the former. Then cut along the line up to just less than the top center on both sides. Tape the rear of the section you just cut into place, then start shaping the next span from that former to the following former. Hold in place and draw a line across the front former of that span to eliminate the overlap. Cut, tape, repeat. Make a 'break' every time there is a noticeable shape change between formers.


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This subtle overlap is my favorite part.


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Again. Ignore the angle of the wings. The poster is pushing them down in this picture. I do think I could stand to reduce the size of formers C and D (over the wings) to get that slimmer H-1 look but I'm pretty happy with it so far.

At first glance it may appear I'm actually going backwards, but the wings were only test fit before. The following shows the process of installing the spar and servos, then completing and attaching the wings and tail.

I went with a tapered spar. Plans will be updated soon.

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The wing is too thin to tuck the servo in, so I just made a servo-sized cutout. Put plenty of glue on every surface where the wing touches the servo. I finished by slathering a generous amount of glue right across the servo for maximum rigidity. Squeegee it lightly with a scrap of foam.

If you are paying attention you may also notice the aileron has been reduced to about half of the original size. There was no need for that much control surface on these tiny wings. This is actually more in line with the scale size, as well.

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Finished wings with 6" servo extensions. I just used a 2.5 inch piece at one wingtip to give what looks to be scale dihedral.

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As you can see, the dihedral is not too steep.

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Wings and tail are in line. Tomorrow I will install the power pod and battery to find the ideal location for the rear servos. I want it to balance without adding extra weight if at all possible.

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I removed the cowl to sand it with 220 grit sandpaper. It took more work than I expected but it was worth it.

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Power Pod mounts installed. Wow is it a tight fit. I had to trim the bottom cowl support down to make room for my ESC to fit through since its attached to the bottom of the power pod. It barely fits but it fits.

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Removable wings are all set.

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Everything you see is glued in place, finally. I still have to mount the rear servos. That's why the rear turtle deck is still off. I'm really happy with how its coming out now that everything is down tight.

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Servos are mounted in a little servo deck halfway between the E and F formers. It seemed like about the right place for where I wanted to put my battery in the pod (and it was).

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If you did the removable wings, you'll want to reinforce your wing mounts and center some squares on top of the wing to keep it from twisting while flying. I used a subway rewards card for the reinforcements. I'm running out of gift cards and rewards cards.

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I used the same rewards card for the control horns and trimmed it up as best I could on the ground before gluing down the rear turtle deck.

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I just thought this was a cool angle that really makes it look like an H-1.

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Look how stubby those wings are and how compact it is. Pocket rocket!

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Unedited video of the maiden flight. Filmed and narrated by my 12 year old with some excited commentary from my 7 year old.


Lightly edited video of second flight on the same gusty/windy day with my 7 year old singing Puff the Magic Plane at the top of her lungs. Haha.


Well, its finally done. Repaired, painted, and ready to race. I'll update with the final plans. If anyone decides to build this, feel free to ask questions and please share pictures.


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nagromnewo

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Wing cube loading

Hi

Wing Cube Loading is a better indicator than Wing Loading of how a model will fly. If the WCL is the same, the flight characteristics will also be the same for a model of the same plane regardless of size. However, lighter is always better. It's true that heavier models fly fast, but that's because it's the only way they can stay in the air. An otherwise identical, but lighter plane will fly even faster with the same power system, but will also be able to fly slower. Flying slower is always a good thing whether it's for landings or just slowing down to give the stressed out pilot a chance to regain his composure after an almost crash...

Look here for an explanation:
http://www.theampeer.org/CWL/reynolds.htm

And here for a calculator:
http://www.ef-uk.net/data/wcl.htm

One way to make a lighter plane would be to get rid of that darned paper. At least on the inside surfaces.

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Robin

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Very interesting project.

If I did my maths right, calculating from "church of england" to metric, the wing loading is around 90 gramms per square decimeter. And that´s quite a lot. Could someone confirm that I calculated right?

If so...well, it will fly, but it won´t be an easy task. For scale purpose, that´ll call even for a "scale" pilot ;-)

I don´t know if Depron is easily available in the states, but if, I would go for it. My brother and me both built a FT duster - I went for Depron/Por/paper coating, my brother took posterboard (in germany only to get via amazon) and hot glue. The difference was nearly 100% more weight in the original construction method!

And that´s quite a lot.

Nevertheless: Great plane, great log.
 

JohnRambozo

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Flying slower is always a good thing whether it's for landings or just slowing down to give the stressed out pilot a chance to regain his composure after an almost crash...

One way to make a lighter plane would be to get rid of that darned paper. At least on the inside surfaces.

We shall see... this one may be pure adrenalin. I do plan to design interchangeable wings so you can use the larger cross-country wings when you want a wider flight envelope.

Good suggestion on the paper. I do believe it gives a lot of strength but I've started pulling it off in some areas where it probably isn't needed.
 

JohnRambozo

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Oh looking good! Are you going to do the fuse with formers and poster board?

Thanks, man. Yes I am. There is a lot of shape change in the cowl so that has the most formers. It will also overlap the fuse like the original. The trick is going to be in getting those nice curves.

I looked around and found this example of an H1 tail. I think you could adapt the same method for your nnChipmunk, too.

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JohnRambozo

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Subscribed!

Very interesting project.

If I did my maths right, calculating from "church of england" to metric, the wing loading is around 90 gramms per square decimeter. And that´s quite a lot. Could someone confirm that I calculated right?

If so...well, it will fly, but it won´t be an easy task. For scale purpose, that´ll call even for a "scale" pilot ;-)

I don´t know if Depron is easily available in the states, but if, I would go for it. My brother and me both built a FT duster - I went for Depron/Por/paper coating, my brother took posterboard (in germany only to get via amazon) and hot glue. The difference was nearly 100% more weight in the original construction method!

And that´s quite a lot.

Nevertheless: Great plane, great log.

Thanks, Robin.

I'll have to do the math when I have time. I am using poster board skin for the fuse to keep weight down. I'm also putting the servos and battery in last so I can perfect the placement for CG without adding any weight. The battery is going to have to go in the power pod for sure. There is no room anywhere unless I cut out the bottom of the cowl and I'd really rather not lose that shape.
 

jayz 84

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Hey johnrambozo i sent nerdnic this web site too for historical racers and reno warbirds. it has the three view of Hughes H-1 at the bottom might help you with your layout. its were im getting my rarebare build from
 

JohnRambozo

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Thanks, Robin.

I'll have to do the math when I have time. I am using poster board skin for the fuse to keep weight down. I'm also putting the servos and battery in last so I can perfect the placement for CG without adding any weight. The battery is going to have to go in the power pod for sure. There is no room anywhere unless I cut out the bottom of the cowl and I'd really rather not lose that shape.

Robin, how did you calculate the wing area without being able to measure my wings? ;) I calculated the total area by measuring in trapezoidal segments. It came out to about 157 sq in or 10.1 sq dm.

I did the math for wing cube loading and looked at a range of weight from 800 grams down to 650 grams.
800 grams = Wing Cube Loading of 24.8
650 grams = WCL 20.1

The site nagromnewo linked says WCL of 15 and up is a racer. Unfortunately it does not indicate an upper limit for WCL. I found another site that rates WCL of 15-20 as Full Scale. This is not going to be a plane for beginners. Again I am going to design the larger wings in addition to the racing wings to make it much more 'floaty'.

Thanks for the helpful info nagromnewo. Now I know I need to really focus on keeping it as light as possible.

I did take Owen's suggestion and started peeling off paper. I only took it off of one side. Its already starting to twist and distort in ways that make me uncomfortable. heh. The rear formers or possibly some small reinforcing segments will straighten it out. Adding foam supports to compensate for the stiffness the paper was already providing might not be a positive trade-off.

Thanks to everyone for the tips. Keep 'em coming. :)
 

JohnRambozo

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Hey johnrambozo i sent nerdnic this web site too for historical racers and reno warbirds. it has the three view of Hughes H-1 at the bottom might help you with your layout. its were im getting my rarebare build from

Website? :)
 

nagromnewo

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Hi

Once you add chrome tape (lighter than paper) or colored packing tape (much lighter) she will regain all that stiffness and more. I reckon my chrome Mustang is the strongest plane I have. I botched a landing the other day and she just bounced. Apart from a broken prop, not a scratch on her. I did add some extra frames in the fuselage (depapered foam again), but I would have done that if I was building stock (wiith paper) too because of the removable wing. My Mustang also has three strips of bidirectional fibreglass tape on the wings under the chrome tape. Top, bottom and leading edge, but to be honest with you, that is probably overkill.

For your fuselage, I suppose the tape would go on the posterboard.

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Robin

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Robin, how did you calculate the wing area without being able to measure my wings? ;) I calculated the total area by measuring in trapezoidal segments. It came out to about 157 sq in or 10.1 sq dm.

I tried calculate it this way:

You said that with 800 gramms you are around 25 oz/sq feet.

25 ounces are ~ 708 gramm. As this weight is related to one square feet, I didn´t had to know the dimension of your wings. I just had to know, that one sq.feet are 0.0929 m^2, which are 9.29 sq decimeter.

By dividing your planned weight flight-ready by 9.29 sq/dm it led to around 90 g/dm^2.

If going for 10.1 dm^2 we are at ~ 79 g/dm^2 for 800 g flight-ready.

That´s better than 90, but still a lot. My dad, in RC planes since the sixties, gave me the rule of thumb, that up to 50 g/sq.dm everything will fly. Above it starts to get exciting....especially in smaller scales.

Up to 100-120 cm wingspan I try to stay below "dad´s magic number" and until now it works out well.

That doesn´t mean, that your bird won´t fly - but it´ll need quite a lot airspeed to keep it up in the air.

Regarding this high wing-load AND the elliptic shape of the wings, this one will be prone to tip stalling.

Give it a try, but for the maiden stay with the motto of the boy scouts: Be prepared ;-)
 

Robin

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And for the cubic wing loading: Keep in mind, that the density of air doesn´t scale down.

A Piper Cub, a plane which pilot students are still trained on, has in real a wing-loading of ~ 30 kg/sq.m, that are 300 g/sq.dm!

A RC plane with this wing load will never ever fly, not to speak of using it as a trainer. So calculating real wing loads down might give you an impression, how the model will behave, but even the fastest RC warbirds are - compare to their real conterparts - nothing more than sailplanes.
 

JohnRambozo

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I tried calculate it this way:

You said that with 800 gramms you are around 25 oz/sq feet.

25 ounces are ~ 708 gramm. As this weight is related to one square feet, I didn´t had to know the dimension of your wings. I just had to know, that one sq.feet are 0.0929 m^2, which are 9.29 sq decimeter.

By dividing your planned weight flight-ready by 9.29 sq/dm it led to around 90 g/dm^2.

If going for 10.1 dm^2 we are at ~ 79 g/dm^2 for 800 g flight-ready.

That´s better than 90, but still a lot. My dad, in RC planes since the sixties, gave me the rule of thumb, that up to 50 g/sq.dm everything will fly. Above it starts to get exciting....especially in smaller scales.

Up to 100-120 cm wingspan I try to stay below "dad´s magic number" and until now it works out well.

That doesn´t mean, that your bird won´t fly - but it´ll need quite a lot airspeed to keep it up in the air.

Regarding this high wing-load AND the elliptic shape of the wings, this one will be prone to tip stalling.

Give it a try, but for the maiden stay with the motto of the boy scouts: Be prepared ;-)

That makes sense... Smart reverse calculations. You came fairly close. I fully expect the motor to carry this thing up to the sky before it gets up to speed. I'll be looking at a steep launch angle then I'll be holding on for dear life. Well, the plane's life.

Something I didn't mention yet is that I am using the David Windestahl undercambered tips. I gave it about 4 inches of undercamber that I hope will give it a little stability. I know its going to be a rocket regardless.
 

SnowRocker88

Amateur pilot and builder
Awesome build! Subscribed!!

Also, I found a build of a foamy H-1. IDK if you can get any helpful tips/tricks from it but just in case, HERE it is.
 
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JohnRambozo

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Hi

Once you add chrome tape (lighter than paper) or colored packing tape (much lighter) she will regain all that stiffness and more. I reckon my chrome Mustang is the strongest plane I have. I botched a landing the other day and she just bounced. Apart from a broken prop, not a scratch on her. I did add some extra frames in the fuselage (depapered foam again), but I would have done that if I was building stock (wiith paper) too because of the removable wing. My Mustang also has three strips of bidirectional fibreglass tape on the wings under the chrome tape. Top, bottom and leading edge, but to be honest with you, that is probably overkill.

For your fuselage, I suppose the tape would go on the posterboard.

Owen

I missed your post somehow, nagromnewo. Tape may actually be the best option for strength. I had something happen while flying my spitfire in the evening that made me question the use of poster board. I'm in New England and the weather can be very unpredictable at times. It was sunny when I left my house to go fly. The park I go to is less than 5 minutes away. By the time I got out of the car there was only clouds. I thought it might rain, but it didn't. It was extremely humid but not raining.

After I landed for the second time I picked up my Spitfire and the plane actually felt wet. All of the poster board, even though it was minwaxed and painted, was very soft. There must have been more moisture in the air at higher altitudes. Its fine now, but if that poster board provided any support at all, the plane would have disintegrated in the air.