I run a 3530 on a 34" 1700kv 7x6 2200mah and good for almost 80mph at 4500'
Not a beginner setup. Lots of fun!
Not a beginner setup. Lots of fun!
Swift II build. Need some advise...
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nene
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I am putting together a Swift II setup and I seek help. 
I prefer Hobbyking setup. I was thinking on something like this:
Motor: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__12916__D2822_14_Brushless_Outrunner_1450kv.html
ESC: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__6457__Hobbyking_SS_Series_18_20A_ESC.html
Prop: ?
Battery: I have some 610mah 3s lying around. Is it enough? I could buy a 1000mah as well.
Post your comments. Thanks.
I prefer Hobbyking setup. I was thinking on something like this:Motor: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__12916__D2822_14_Brushless_Outrunner_1450kv.html
ESC: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__6457__Hobbyking_SS_Series_18_20A_ESC.html
Prop: ?
Battery: I have some 610mah 3s lying around. Is it enough? I could buy a 1000mah as well.
Post your comments. Thanks.
ananas1301
Crazy flyer/crasher :D
That should be alright to start with; (don´t rely on my opinion only though!)
The 3S battery you got there might be a little too light I think.
The problem most of the wings have is the to get the CG right so mostly battery capacity and therefore more weight is going to be in the front!
Look what other people say with their setups.
Also: Do you want a setup going for speed or for stability?Because the setup will depend on that as well!
The 3S battery you got there might be a little too light I think.
The problem most of the wings have is the to get the CG right so mostly battery capacity and therefore more weight is going to be in the front!
Look what other people say with their setups.
Also: Do you want a setup going for speed or for stability?Because the setup will depend on that as well!
Burg
Never catch a multirotor
Heli-Yeah,
Me and and my friends have build and flown MANY of the MS Swift II's.
Here is my advice:
Knowing the back order status at HK, we use these motors:
For speed : 2200kv (2212-6 size) + an APC 6x4 prop
http://www.rctimer.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=116&productname=
When you like to go a little slower with more torque:
Choose a 2208-12 size 1800kv with an 7x4 or 7x6 prop (max size prop)
Personally I like the 1800kv best.
Perfect for 'beginners' and give longer flying time.
Speed is sufficient and the torque is perfect for windy conditions.
Get a minimum 30amp esc from RCTimer as they are identical to the 30amp Turnigy Plush from HK and always in stock there ;-)
Note: get a high C-rate lipo.
Hobbyking Rhino 1050mah 40c
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9608__Rhino_1050mAh_3S_11_1v_40C_Lipoly_Pack.html
Or a Hobbyking Turnigy Nano Tech 1000mah 25-50C
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/...urPage=2&v=&sortlist=&sortMotor=&LiPoConfig=3
Oh, and use metal gear servo's
These are ok
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/...9MG_Metal_Gear_Servo_2_5kg_12_5g_0_14sec.html
These are better
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/...Micro_Metal_Gear_Servo_1_8kg_12g_0_14sec.html
Use carbon fiber and tape for reinforcement.
And these under the wing for protecting the servo's
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=8703
Like to read about your final setup, and your experience.
If you need more info, let me know
Good luck !
Me and and my friends have build and flown MANY of the MS Swift II's.
Here is my advice:
Knowing the back order status at HK, we use these motors:
For speed : 2200kv (2212-6 size) + an APC 6x4 prop
http://www.rctimer.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=116&productname=
When you like to go a little slower with more torque:
Choose a 2208-12 size 1800kv with an 7x4 or 7x6 prop (max size prop)
Personally I like the 1800kv best.
Perfect for 'beginners' and give longer flying time.
Speed is sufficient and the torque is perfect for windy conditions.
Get a minimum 30amp esc from RCTimer as they are identical to the 30amp Turnigy Plush from HK and always in stock there ;-)
Note: get a high C-rate lipo.
Hobbyking Rhino 1050mah 40c
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9608__Rhino_1050mAh_3S_11_1v_40C_Lipoly_Pack.html
Or a Hobbyking Turnigy Nano Tech 1000mah 25-50C
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/...urPage=2&v=&sortlist=&sortMotor=&LiPoConfig=3
Oh, and use metal gear servo's
These are ok
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/...9MG_Metal_Gear_Servo_2_5kg_12_5g_0_14sec.html
These are better
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/...Micro_Metal_Gear_Servo_1_8kg_12g_0_14sec.html
Use carbon fiber and tape for reinforcement.
And these under the wing for protecting the servo's
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=8703
Like to read about your final setup, and your experience.
If you need more info, let me know
Good luck !
nene
Member
Burg, you have been very helpful. So I already ordered the 2208-12 1800kv motor and 30A ESC from rctimer. How long does the shipping take? I am from Slovenia, so its probably around the same time as Netherlands. Are the metal gear servos necessery? I was thinking about using HXT900. I will probably go with Turnigy Nano Tech 1000mah 25-50C and a 7x4 prop. Wil these work? http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/...7x4_178x102mm_w_Adapters_Black_5pcs_bag_.html
Burg
Never catch a multirotor
nene, good to read ! The balance with the 2208-12 1800kv and the 1000mah nano tech is perfect.
Rctimer ships is a small brown bubble enveloppe and therefore it takes less time to receive them compared to the small boxes such as hobbyking uses (no customs hassle). You will be surprised how quick they will arrive. For me it can take 4-5 days or 1 and a 1/2 weeks. It differs a little.
No, it is not neccesary to use metal gear servo's. The HXT900 will do the job as well. But because they are installed at the lower part of the wing, there is quite a chance that the gear will be stripped when you crash or even make a good gliding landing. Crashing is not a problem with the Swift but replacing a glued-in servo is not what you want. Therefore I suggest to use a metal gear servos. The hobbyking brand I mentioned above are cheap and work ok. Plus using the white skids I mentioned will keep you safe (glue one on each side of the servo). I have photos if you like.
These 7x4 props are perfect ! With the 1800kv and the foam wing it is not even needed to balance them 100% ..
Oh, last thing : do NOT use a prop saver but the collet type adapter that comes with the rctimer motor.
Rctimer ships is a small brown bubble enveloppe and therefore it takes less time to receive them compared to the small boxes such as hobbyking uses (no customs hassle). You will be surprised how quick they will arrive. For me it can take 4-5 days or 1 and a 1/2 weeks. It differs a little.
No, it is not neccesary to use metal gear servo's. The HXT900 will do the job as well. But because they are installed at the lower part of the wing, there is quite a chance that the gear will be stripped when you crash or even make a good gliding landing. Crashing is not a problem with the Swift but replacing a glued-in servo is not what you want. Therefore I suggest to use a metal gear servos. The hobbyking brand I mentioned above are cheap and work ok. Plus using the white skids I mentioned will keep you safe (glue one on each side of the servo). I have photos if you like.
These 7x4 props are perfect ! With the 1800kv and the foam wing it is not even needed to balance them 100% ..
Oh, last thing : do NOT use a prop saver but the collet type adapter that comes with the rctimer motor.
Burg
Never catch a multirotor
nene, I try to explain as follows.
When using a fixed collet adapter you will have the chance that one side of the prop is facing down during touch down. What happens is that the prop will be rotated a quarter as soon as it touches the ground, leaving a small scratch on the prop being the worst.
At least, always have throttle at zero before touch down. When not setting the esc in brake mode, the prop will most of the times auto rotate because of wind flow.
Using a prop saver will bend the prop backwards, but the scratch is there as well. What is more worse is when you DON'T throttle to zero before landing (you will sometimes), the prop will bend backwards, continues to rotate and cut a pcs of faom out of the back of your wing .. I know this from day one ;-). You can add strips of CF but still there will be damage.
Besides that, the torque that the 1800kv with 7x4 has, could brake the rubber bands at sudden rev-ups. I even experienced this with lower kv (1250kv) and higher kv (2600kv) motors.
Other idea is to use folding props that fold both blades backwards .. this is also nice for gliding as the prop will no longer function as a brake. Just go vertical until almost out of sight, cut throttle and glide .. you can fly like this for 30+ minutes with a 1000mah 3cell.
Just try all three prop mount versions once and learn the differences.
Good luck !
When using a fixed collet adapter you will have the chance that one side of the prop is facing down during touch down. What happens is that the prop will be rotated a quarter as soon as it touches the ground, leaving a small scratch on the prop being the worst.
At least, always have throttle at zero before touch down. When not setting the esc in brake mode, the prop will most of the times auto rotate because of wind flow.
Using a prop saver will bend the prop backwards, but the scratch is there as well. What is more worse is when you DON'T throttle to zero before landing (you will sometimes), the prop will bend backwards, continues to rotate and cut a pcs of faom out of the back of your wing .. I know this from day one ;-). You can add strips of CF but still there will be damage.
Besides that, the torque that the 1800kv with 7x4 has, could brake the rubber bands at sudden rev-ups. I even experienced this with lower kv (1250kv) and higher kv (2600kv) motors.
Other idea is to use folding props that fold both blades backwards .. this is also nice for gliding as the prop will no longer function as a brake. Just go vertical until almost out of sight, cut throttle and glide .. you can fly like this for 30+ minutes with a 1000mah 3cell.
Just try all three prop mount versions once and learn the differences.
Good luck !
I don't know why the TeK Sumo would require a 4 channel.
I generally use a 6 channel on my flying wings but only because they are so cheap.
You are correct, you will only be using three channels. I think the 3ch receivers will work fine.
I generally use a 6 channel on my flying wings but only because they are so cheap.
You are correct, you will only be using three channels. I think the 3ch receivers will work fine.
nene
Member
Probably a typo or something... Then I will be using this receiver, because its the cheapest and the only one in stock right now for my 9x.
Now I think I have everything... Ordered... I little bit of waiting and gluing and hopefully we will be airborne.
EDIT: I guess I wont be using that receiver. People say it doesn't have the range that normal airplane receivers do, as this is a car receiver. Will have to wait for the 6 channel to come in stock.
Now I think I have everything... Ordered...
I little bit of waiting and gluing and hopefully we will be airborne. EDIT: I guess I wont be using that receiver. People say it doesn't have the range that normal airplane receivers do, as this is a car receiver. Will have to wait for the 6 channel to come in stock.
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Burg
Never catch a multirotor
You are not missing something.
You need to connect :
The esc to 'thro'
Left servo to 'aile'
Right sevo to 'elev'
And select 'delta wing mixing' on the Turnigy 9x
You can use the receiver that came with the Turnigy 9x.
Its rather large but it will fit the MS Swift II.
You need to connect :
The esc to 'thro'
Left servo to 'aile'
Right sevo to 'elev'
And select 'delta wing mixing' on the Turnigy 9x
You can use the receiver that came with the Turnigy 9x.
Its rather large but it will fit the MS Swift II.
Burg
Never catch a multirotor
You cannot use that receiver. See the remark 'For use ONLY with HK-GT 2'
I dont see any other receivers for the Turnigy 9x Than the standard 8 channel one.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__12339__Turnigy_9X_2_4GHz_8Ch_Receiver_V2_.html
nene
Member
You are wrong on that one. The T9x binds with these two receivers as well:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__12901__Hobby_King_2_4Ghz_Receiver_6Ch_V2.html
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__10625__Hobby_King_GT_2_2_4Ghz_Receiver_3Ch_.html
I am using the 6 channel in my Kinetic and it works great. The problem with the 3ch is that its designed for cars, so it doesn't have much range.
How to connect to the RX was also very helpful information, thanks.
ananas1301
Crazy flyer/crasher :D
UndCon is right. For Tri´s or Quads you always need 4 channels.
With Tris you have 3 motors and 1 servo for a swingable motor. Added up to 4 channels
With Quads you have 4 motor which will all need be controlled seperately! So 4 again.
Burg
Never catch a multirotor
nene
Member
Yay, I bought the Swift 2, now I am just waiting for the electronics to arrive from Hongkong. As this is my first wing, what do I have to pay attention when building it? Obviously, it has the as straight as possible. What to use to stick the winghalfs together? Is it better CA glue or hot glue? Is a carbon spar necessary?
Ye x2
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